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*** This post was edited by Lance Baker on 7/22/2002. ***
That's really two issues. The cleanliness of a given park is the responsibility of the staff working there. Obviously Six Flags expects some sort of standards, but it's up to the local staff to live up to that.
As far as which parks get new rides, etc. It's all about the market. Obviously SF wants to make their biggest moneymakers grow even more. A park like SFMM has tons of competition and needs to compete. Ditto with SFWOA. A park like Astroworld has little competition and investing huge dollars into a park people will tend to visit regardless just doesn't make sense. It's not neglect, it's business.
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Lord Gonchar said:
The cleanliness of a given park is the responsibility of the staff working there. Obviously Six Flags expects some sort of standards, but it's up to the local staff to live up to that.
...and it's up to the local GMs and such to enforce those policies, and to set a good example...Hate to bring up HW again (lol) but when the OWNERS of the park are seen picking up trash, it certainly sets a strong example that employees are MUCH more willing to follow.
Once last year I saw a SFA employee walking down the path with her boyfriend while he was drinking a soda. He stops RIGHT between two trash cans less than 20 feet apart to deposit his cup on the concrete wall....guests will follow the lead they're given, by and large....
Hate to bring up HW again (lol) but when the OWNERS of the park are seen picking up trash, it certainly sets a strong example that employees are MUCH more willing to follow.
Not related exactly... but that brings up two different accounts I read of Milton S. Hershey. He would often be seen walking through Hershey Park (as it was then called... the one word name is as recent as 1970 or so), and he would stop to pick up trash... unless it was a Hershey Bar wrapper. It was said that he would leave those laying on the ground... face up. Nothing like free advertising.
Just goes to show that over the decades, some park owners still do get out and about themselves and are not above doing even the smallest thing to make their parks better.
"Roland yelled 'Hey, man, we done run out of track!" (Bill Cosby, "Roland and the Roller Coaster")
*** This post was edited by SLFAKE on 7/22/2002. ***
Lance Baker said:
"Does Six Flags Neglect Parks"
Is a frog's butt water-tight?
I think Six Flags pumps up a park with ride and then when they realize they can't add any more, they neglect the park, but still keep it as their own. For example with SFWoA. I know there is still some room but I think Six Flags is about to give up with trying to get permission from the town to build taller and more up-to-date rides. I think they added on to SFEG because it has room and it already had one good ride there. SFMM gets stuff because it has room and there seem to be no problems building things.
Or...How ever much a park makes a year depends on if they get something the next year. That might be why SFMM keeps getting rides and why SFEG got TFC. I don't know about anything else and please don't take my word for it. It's just my theory.
I think they added on to SFEG because it has room and it already had one good ride there.
SFEG did not get TFC because it has room. The coaster is so small you could probably fit three, maybe four on a football field. And they even had to take out some parking lot to add it. The reason SFEG got TFC is because SF has only added Boomerang to the park, and besides that, has just taken away rides and added Turbobungy. Parks like SFMM get new rides almost every 2 years, while SFEG gets two small and rough coasters in 4 years. But, SFEG is a clean, well kept park. I think with SF Astroworld, part of the problem is the local managment at the park, if they want a clean park they can have it, and SF will most likely give them the funds.
Here's what I think about SF neglecting parks. Do they do it? Yes. Will they continue to do it? Yes. Is it smart of them to do it? Yes. Why add coasters every two years to parks like SFEG when the guests will continue to come either way. It is smart financialy to do it. Whereas at SFMM there is so much competition that the attendence will decline if you don't add the next best thing because you have plenty of parks around you that are.
It's all based on return on investment. A big park like SFMM has high attendance that allows them to afford more (as well as more expensive) rides than a park with lower attendance (SFEG, SFAW).
I can imagine a certain calculation based on admissions collected that affects how quickly (or not) rides are added at each park. Does that create "two classes" of parks, yes. But no corporation can dump endless amounts of cash into a location that cannot support the improvements that are going in there...
Posting, "Me too" like some brain dead AOLer. I ought to to the world a favor, and cap you like old yeller...
Lance, you and others disappointed in their home parks should send them an Email or write a letter. Most parks are happy to hear from their customers. If enough people write in to the top brass and tell them how disgusting the park is or how bad the ride ops were or the food was no good or whatever is the case, changes will be made. The public is a parks bread and butter and they know if we are unhappy, we will not be back as often.
On the other hand, I always try to thank them when the park is clean and for good food and friendly people.
The worst day at Cedar Point is better than the best day at work.
I agree. This notion that parks don't care what their customers have to say, for the most part, is false. I wrote a nice little letter to SFMM and got a very satisfying response!
Thing is, I didn't write them complaining because they don't build a giga coaster, or because X is closed or because some stupid bathroom was dirty. It was a positive letter, first complimenting the park on where I felt they suceeded, then adding a few suggestions from "my family" and I. Parks can't resist it when you mention family, and the fact that you spend LOTS of money in their park.
It's all how you play the game...
"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?
There's nothing like a woodie...
The maintenance of wooden coasters at Six Flags parks seems to be a function of local management and maintenance.
SFA takes excellent care of their woodies even though they are not the featured rides.
SFSt. Louis doesn't seem to do a good job of caring for the Boss even though it is new and a featured attraction. Screaming Eagle is also neglected.
SFKK takes pretty good care of their woodies.
There is good reason for the one woodie at SFGAdv to be retered to as "Rotting Lumber".
SFWoA takes so so care of its woodies.
SFMW takes pretty good care of Roar. I know people will disagree with me, but I think the notion that Six Flags does not care about their wooden coasters is a bunch of hogwash. I certainly don't think it's by design anway. There is an art to making a wooden coaster run like the ones at Holiday World. If everyone could do it, they would.
Just because Mean Streak runs like crap, doesn't mean Cedar Point doesn't care about it.
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*** This post was edited by Mustang on 7/22/2002. ***
A lot of people are saying that if the park brings in more money they will get a new ride. Well the biggest way to bring in more money is to build new things. If a park is only doing so so they aren't goin to just start doing good. They need new rides to ring in more money. In big chains like six flags they should think about distrubuting there money so that even if park does bad then the others can help it out. That way the parks aren't neglected as much
Is there a correlation between the way a park takes care of its wooden coasters and the way it cares for its guests......(or maybe its employees). I just have to wonder why some of the parks seem to have ongoing "staffing issues"....
If you can afford 15-20M for a new coaster, go ALL out and spend an extra 50 bucks an hour to staff rides, and to keep the park clean...while you're at it, why not treat your guests in a friendly manner, that costs NOTHING.....just my random thoughts...
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