Deja Vu, when will it open

Chipster, last season at SFGAm, riders were specifically told not to put down their harnesses.

Also, the height of the SFGAm DV is 178 feet according to the website, just for your info.

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I thought that was the drop height. And you cant always trust anyhting that is said or shown on sixflags.com

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Maybe Deja Vu would be on this list if it would open!

Chipster: the loading procedure you speak of is exactly the ridiculous one SFGAm has used since the ride opened. There's no reason the OTSRs need to stay up, and there's no reason to check restraints *twice*. A 3.5-4 minute dispatch is nothing short of awful. A good crew should be able to dispatch a train in 1-1.5 minutes without a problem. The Deja Vu crew should also be able to hit something close to this without a problem.

I'm sorry, but there's no possible way the train is moving through the course *faster* by not being pulled up as far. It doesn't take a physics expert to know that, it's just common sense and the laws of nature, if you will. SFoG may be releasing the train from a lower point than last year, but guaranteed the train is not moving faster if that is true.

-Nate

Nate,

Let's try some different word choice and see if this doesn't get on on the same page.

I am NOT saying that the ride OVERALL has gained any speed. What I AM saying is that the ride has noticeably more speed going through the boomerang and the loop (i.e. it no longer looks like it is going to stall out as it goes through the elements).

The way that this speed increase was achieved was by shortening the length of track the train has to travel, and thus lose momentum, before entering these elements.

NOW does it make sense? :)

Chipster,

So then you are saying that you could chop off 10 feet off of the top of MillenniumForce and it would go faster through the over-banked turn because of the removal of 10 feet of drop track?

yeah, right, suuuuuure...

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The stats from RCDB.com are...
Height (feet):191' 7"
Drop (feet):177'

If this is what you meant, it would still climb the tower to the top to hit the drop of 177' seeing as the train doesn't drop all the way to the ground from the towers.
*** This post was edited by onceler 7/15/2003 2:33:16 PM ***

Chipster: No, it doesn't make sense, because by dropping the train from lower you're not just reducing the track it has to travel on (distance-wise) but you're losing height too (which directly translates to speed). Now, if they somehow removed the station and the boomerang directly followed the first drop, *then* I would believe it was traveling faster through the boomerang due to the fact that the train had to travel over less track (thus less loss due to friction and such). However, that's not the case here. The lower you drop the train from, the slower it's going to go. *If* you are getting the impression that the train is moving faster through the boomerang, that's fine, but it's definitely *not* because they're dropping the train from a lower point on the tower.

-Nate

Goliath - 250' drop, 85 MPH

Millie - 300' drop, 93 MPH

So for an extra 50 feet you get a net gain of only 8 MPH. How much extra speed do you think is gained by dropping the Deja trains only an extra 20 feet higher? Not enough to make much of a difference.

mOOSH

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Also note, that RCDB's stat of 191ft includes the entire pulley assembly which is above the highest point of the track. See this picture.

But then if you look at the height of the ride that the park got approved, it's only 180ft as seen in item #3 in the minutes of the Gurnee Zoning Board's approval of DejaVu in September of 2000.

Either RCDB is wrong or GAm misled the Gurnee Zoning Board....

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*** This post was edited by redman822 7/15/2003 3:06:08 PM ***

Jeez, George...that was harsh! ;)

Seriously, tho, all four GIBs are identical. Their drops distances are the same. Does anyone know if the one at the WB park suffers the same problems?

mOOSH

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Riddle me this :)

How do you account for the increased speed going through the elements?

And I will be more than happy to check again with park officials/mechanics about this.

If it turns out I got some bad information, I have no problem passing that along.

*** This post was edited by Chipster 7/15/2003 5:38:44 PM ***
*** This post was edited by Chipster 7/15/2003 5:39:24 PM ***

Less drag, better wheel lubrication...there are many things that can increase speed.

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hey i was there today and i saw more machanics working on it. this made my day alot better since superman was closed all day!!! they were working on the part after the lood and they whereputting this thing in. if u have any questions email me at liebacker131@aol.com or im me at linebacker131

Hmmm. For two days people have seen people working around the ride. This doesnt mean the ride will open next week or next year. It means that they ARE working on the ride and it makes it obvious it will be opening soon. August maybe? Who knows? All I know is that all this stuff going around the ride is pretty exciting. Something we've seen completely dormant for A LONG time finally has a little action around it.
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Maybe Deja Vu would be on this list if it would open!

Until I physically see a train sitting in the station or being assembled in the station, I am going to continue to pretend this thing does'nt exist.

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Mamoosh said: So for an extra 50 feet you get a net gain of only 8 MPH. How much extra speed do you think is gained by dropping the Deja trains only an extra 20 feet higher? Not enough to make much of a difference.

That's not my point, though. I never said that raising the train higher is going to add a significant amount of speed. My point was that he claimed the ride is running *faster* through the boomerang element by dropping the train from a lower point - and that's just impossible.

-Nate
*** This post was edited by coasterdude318 7/16/2003 12:22:13 AM ***

You beat me to it, Chitown.

Show me a train and you'll get my attention.

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Here is a more "gratifying" analogy. So, Chipster, you're saying that if I were to drop a 500 pound brick on you from 170 feet, that it would crush you slower than if I were to drop it from 150 feet?

For now I'm just assuming that the laws of gravity don't apply in your mental hospital.

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*** This post was edited by Ben G. 7/16/2003 12:04:59 AM ***

I am pretty sure I mentioned that I am NOT a physics guy and that I am WELL AWARE that what I am saying is counterintuitave.

IF you guys wanna aregue about the physics, I would be truly interested to listen to the conversation. But I don't have anything of value to add, other than what I have observed. Never claimed anything to the contrary.

Just to reinforce the point, the train clearly doesn't look like it is going to valley in the boomerang or the loop anymore...for all I know this may be just becuase of weight changes resulting from the train modifications or becuase Ben G and Nate made some sort of sacrifice to the coaster gods <jk> or anything else in between.

OK there is Visual progress on Deja Vu this is the truth the I was at the park today and there were mechnics in the station and they were testing the Catch Car on the First Tower.It was moving up and down the lift. It was so werid to see cause nothing has happend on DEJA Vu in so long. The Catch Car on the second tower was on but i didnt see it testing. I have pictures If you would like to see what Iam talking About
http://groups.msn.com/KYLECOASTERWORLD/sfgamjuly16.msnw?Page=1

This is proably good news
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