CW 2012

Raven-Phile said:

CoasterDemon said:
Maybe a splash down and more tunnels...

Splash downs are overrated. Honestly, they're kind of a waste of speed.

Waste of speed? As opposed to... say... a 105' brake followed by a 30 degree, dropping break run - back into the station?

CoasterDemon said:

Waste of speed? As opposed to... say... a 105' brake followed by a 30 degree, dropping break run - back into the station?

No, as opposed to... say... a couple of extra camel hills or an upward helix.

I'm not big on splash downs either. They do look cool. I must admit that, but thats about it.

I was hoping for more of an underground tunnel that gives you the impression of being underwater, then possibly seeing the beast itself... kind of a lochness monster 2012 edition. I really thought a helix tunnel undergrond circling Leviathan would be special.

All these comments about Dorney, MI, and Valleyfair are making me laugh. These parks are not in the same ball park as CW. I mean no offense by this but it's true. All of the "super" corporate parks (SFMM, SFGA, CP) Have had clusters of huge coaster additions.. and CW having one of these runs makes perfect sense. High end coasters is the one thing they have been lacking for years.

As far as the economy goes CW isn't hurting... Plenty of money in the GTA(Greater Toronto Area) to go around... CW killin it at the gate and then Valleyfair getting a B&M Giga is like the Yankees giving the KC Royals Revenue sharing. F! that!

^^ A B&M Flyer would have made alot of sense. Especially if a 200' one is possible. But it's not like it would have been wayyyy less than 28 mil for one. Tatsu was 20+ mill? Could be wrong. I don't think time warp is even really thought of as a coaster in a way. It's kind of flat ride ish. It's not hurting for ridership though. Always a 20+ minute wait. Thats why I haven't been on since 09. Oh that and its the worst coaster in HISTORY! lol spine warp is the name BTW.

I'd really like to see them address the wood situation next. Preferably fix an old one if possible. Any thoughts on whether or not this is even possible anymore... I mean GCMB is ruined! IMO and Wilde Beast is really no better.

Now if they had a splashdown and a walkway directly below a nice camelback hill, misting/soaking those on the walkway...the best of Grif-fun and Diamondback combined with arguably the best part of a chute-the-shoots...the splashy walkway with no wait at all. Honestly, I doubt those splashdowns shave off more than 3-5mph off a train, so theoretically you could have one that really works.

No, as opposed to... say... a couple of extra camel hills or an upward helix.

Well, with how smooth b&m's are, neither of those elements would likely burn off much energy and you'd still need the longer brake run or a splash down. The elemnts have to end somewhere. There's only so much money to spend and land to use.

This is true... any added length mean bye bye go carts. I don't think anyone would care... but upcharge rides are what they are.

Everytime a new ride or other attraction is announced I can always count on some enthusiasts to complain about rides that haven't been built yet. Some of the posts have been quite comical, in a whining brat sort of way. ;) That goes for every new coaster and attraction that's ever been announced, not just this one.

I haven't been to CW since 2005 and wasn't really in any hurry to get back until Behemoth was built. Now that this has come out of nowhere (I haven't been keeping tabs on CW) I am DEFINITELY excited!

It's time to finally get that passport! I've checked into it several times but have never had any plans to use one so soon......until now. ;)

-Tina

^Yes, Tina, we have opinions :)

I guess I'm what some people call a certain type of enthusiast. I can handle that, but by all fairness, I have my own perception of the type of... 'coaster person' that is all love, no complaints; nothing could ever be better, etc.

(And then there is the sub-species of said 'coaster person' that also complains about other 'enthusiasts' endlessly.)

I think Leviathan will be a great ride :) But I just can't help but wonder ... why some things are left kinda lame. One can do both - love a ride and have criticisms :)

Oh I know. I wasn't talking about any person or any group in particular. It's just an observation that goes way back to when Millennium Force was being built and practically every new coaster after that. ;)

It's all good. :)

-Tina

I guess part of my identity as a coaster enthusiast comes along with being some sort of a geeked out nerd, know it all, etc. Kinda like a Trekkie :)

DKNY6363 said:
Exactly! Just imagion how the air time will feel in the back seat of this thing with B&M restraints. MF will bow down to this ride.

Have I missed something? The B&M clamshell restraint is just about the most restricting lapbar I can think of.

-Nate

^Really? I'm not exactly a B&M fanboy, but I get lots of room to fly around in those. The first drops on both Raging Bull and Diamondback I find to be the kind of airtime that almost makes me want to grab on tight.

I find the new Intamin lap bars to be much more restrictive; and (for traditional-style woodies) the GCI Millennium Flyer bars really really stink.

Wait. Did you say you never complain? Seriously?

OTSRs
Over crowded parks during the day
Corporate parks
Price
Pay to cut
Six Flags in general
Any park that isn't IB

Yeah. No complaints from Billy ever.

Considering the Satanic origin of the Levithan name does anyone think we could have another Banshee/Mantis situation on our hands?

DKNY6363 said:

As far as the economy goes CW isn't hurting... Plenty of money in the GTA(Greater Toronto Area) to go around... CW killin it at the gate and then Valleyfair getting a B&M Giga is like the Yankees giving the KC Royals Revenue sharing. F! that!

That's a bad analogy to me. The Yankees' revenue-sharing contribution to the Royals DOES ACTUALLY HAPPEN. Your CW vs. VF has not happened....yet: :)

CoasterDemon said:
I guess part of my identity as a coaster enthusiast comes along with being some sort of a geeked out nerd, know it all, etc. Kinda like a Trekkie :)

I'm not one, but I understand they prefer the term "Trekkers."

coasterdude318 said:

DKNY6363 said:
Exactly! Just imagion how the air time will feel in the back seat of this thing with B&M restraints. MF will bow down to this ride.

Have I missed something? The B&M clamshell restraint is just about the most restricting lapbar I can think of.

-Nate

Is Nitro considered a clamshell? Because I'm a large fella, and it doesn't restrict my airtime at all. And I'll prove that point again in about 4 hours :)

mlnem4s said:
Leviathan will be great, there is no doubt. The general public will swarm to it. I am left wondering though if it was the BEST option for these troubled times?

If the general public will swarm to Leviathan, how could this be a bad business decision? The vast majority of people visiting the park won't give the similarities between Behemoth and Leviathan a second thought, if they even notice them at all.

It seems Cedar Fair has taken the place of Six Flags: they can do no right. Everyone complained that Cedar Fair was foolish for continually buying rides from Intamin, despite their terrible safety and reliability records. And yet, now that they've gone with a company that delivers much higher quality rides (although perhaps ones that are not as exciting for enthusiasts) Cedar Fair is still making the wrong decision.

The "can't please anyone" mindset goes for delivering rides that appeal to wider audiences too. By eliminating inversions, the park immediately increases potential ridership (Paramount actually quantified this, although I don't remember the numbers). Based on this thread, it seems enthusiasts think some sort of looper should have been built. So the park should build an unappealing inverting coaster that appeals to everyone?

I'm not thrilled with the Leviathan myself (I'll take an Intamin hyper/giga over B&M any day) but all these "bad business" comments just seem unfounded.

Mike Gallagher said:

DKNY6363 said:

As far as the economy goes CW isn't hurting... Plenty of money in the GTA(Greater Toronto Area) to go around... CW killin it at the gate and then Valleyfair getting a B&M Giga is like the Yankees giving the KC Royals Revenue sharing. F! that!

That's a bad analogy to me. The Yankees' revenue-sharing contribution to the Royals DOES ACTUALLY HAPPEN. Your CW vs. VF has not happened....yet: :)

Just cuz it's happened doesn't make it right. BTW just to be clear I do VERY much hate the Yankees.

I think we are all starting to get past the whole Behemoth similarities thing, and realizing how there is no steel ride out there that could be more excitting than this one... present day.

as far as the restraints I find B&M clamshells the least restricting. Behemoth to me is the best drop on a steel coaster. I guess other Mega's would theoretically be tied but Behemoth is the one I've been on by far the most. In the back if you don't get stapled your mind believes that you will fly out from the train... It's hard not to hold on. VERY excitted about this first drop.

I made the comment on another site but does the turnaround on the island remind anyone else of the dive loop right after the first drop on drachen fire? Perhaps the logo, and the tracdk colour are helping with the similarities.