CP new coaster
RolliecoasterDUDE said:
this is just going to be a go up and go down and thats it? im not going to ride it
Somehow, I seriously doubt that.
Unless, of course you're not going to be at CP. Either way, one less person ahead of me.
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*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy on 12/2/2002. ***
I would like to say that no matter what this ride does, it WILL set a new benchmark in the "Thrill Ride" industry. Reguardless of how this compares to other rides in the category of elements it will dwarf rides in two aspects. Height and Speed.
Look at it this way, in Pshychology, Darwin's theories are thought as extreme and unbeleivable by most. No matter what you think about him his theories brought on a whole new line of people to prove him wrong. People who would study and take Darwins theories and prove them wrong. Compare to CP. They build a ride that may not seem like much, but the industry takes notice and tries to do something that makes CP's move look like small time. This will open the door for thrill rides. Thank CP for having to inovation to be first. That is why they are one of, if not the, top park in the world.
This WILL be 400+ feet. Don't worry!
And just so I won't be mauled for double posting.
DWeaver: So what you are telling me is that if I build a ride that reaches 420' high, but only travels 5' off of the ground it would be the tallest? Well if that is the case, if I were SF I would put a spire on top of S:TE (a'la Empire State Building) to compensate for the height difference after "Dragster" is complete!
Peabody said:
You go have fun on Jr. Gemini
I *wish*. They wouldn't let me ride Jr. Gemini.....there was even a coaster this weekend I couldn't ride, called *appropriately* Go Gator....I wanted to go, but the man running the ride said I was too old and too big...seriously though, ONE adult won't stress the ride, and the cars were the same size as the other kiddie coasters I was allowed on....:(.
bill, who will go on any ride from 4' to 400', and beyond, and have a GREAT time on all of them....so nyeah!.....:)
From talking to Stan Checketts at the IAAPA convention they are just waiting for CP's new coaster to debut so they can crank up Dodonpa to reclaim the World's Fastest record back.. So, Intamin better be making theirs go faster than 125 MPH :)
Well, at least Cedar Point will hold the record, even if it is just for a day or so....At least they will hold the Tallest record for at least a season ;)
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"The Moose says your closed, I say your open"! Chevy Chase-Vacation
I was just searching threads and found this one from 2001 about building a coaster over 400'. I just thought it was fun to read what people thought about it at the time. For those who haven't been on this site back then.
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=7204&page=2
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Wood Rules!
Not if you take into consideration that if the piece in question was merely a turn into the station (disregarding the 3 different Intamin track types), there would be no place for upstop wheels. Here is the pic again for reference.
Charles Nungester said:
"JD, I get your meaning, It is difficult however to tell what part of Box Track is the running side."
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Track Record: 117
BeastFreak said:
I was just searching threads and found this one from 2001 about building a coaster over 400'. I just thought it was fun to read what people thought about it at the time. For those who haven't been on this site back then.
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=7204&page=2
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Wood Rules!
I wonder how many of those people, if they are still around, are eating crow right now.
Actually, I like Jeff's comment about the 400' coaster..."Why would Cedar Point build one. What for? They don't need it."....(even our host/webmaster gets one from "da gator" now and again, lol)...
In the amusement business, I guess it's RARELY about *need*, it's more about..."How long is it gonna take for me to get back my $10M"....well, in this case, a *bit* more than that it seems...;)
Chris Godsey said:
From talking to Stan Checketts at the IAAPA convention they are just waiting for CP's new coaster to debut so they can crank up Dodonpa to reclaim the World's Fastest record back.. So, Intamin better be making theirs go faster than 125 MPH
I doubt that. Dodonpa goes 107 and they can run an empty train full blast up to 125. Xcellerator goes 80 and they cranked it up to 110. You can bet that CP could crank their's well above regular operating speed too. Besides, why would the record count on a one time run that the park wouldn't allow passangers to ride? (remember how Xceellerator pulled something like 4 negative Gs when they cranked it up!)
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*** This post was edited by Peabody on 12/3/2002. ***
Hahahaha. Godsey gets smacked around again.
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quit complaining about stupid things like spelling and abreviations. It's not worth it.
Hey, leave him alone! He's got a big ol' announcement to make real soon from his website. This should be good...
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
Peabody, I mentioned that to Stan and he explained to me how it can be done...One thing separating Dodonpa from Xcelerator is the layout.. Dodonpa has quite a bit of track( Long straigt track followed by a large fan turn) before the vertical hill. They could easily launch the train at 125 and trim it before the vertical hill so passengers can ride it safely.
Xcelerator cannot be done this way since there is a short amount of track between the launch and the vertical ascent.
Look, I don't doubt you talked with Stan Checketts or that he'd talk to anybody and everybody, but you still haven't addressed Peabody's Beef #1--that S&S can only lauch an empty train at that speed.
And your response to that is...........
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 12/3/2002. ***
I'm afraid I still don't buy it for several reasons.
First, everyone who has ridden Dodonpa says that the launch is at the edge of what is tolerable, I doubt Fujikyu would turn it up that much. Heck, Cmisen said he didn't think he could take a second spin. On top of that, 125 was hit with empty trains and full throttle. (Or maybe one person like Stan taking a joyride) I bet it wouldn't hit 125 at full throttle and a full train. Case in point - S:TE......
All CP would need to prove is when the Radar gun is on and the Guiness people are there. Remember how S:TE broke the 100mph barrier...empty train. Look at how high it goes with a full train....not even close....in fact, I bet it doesn't hit 90. Once, my brother and I had the pleasure of being the only riders on it. The difference was huge.
In the end, I don't think Dodonpa will beat CP #16. Not because I'm big on CP, but because I don't think it's probable.
Stan can say whatever he wants....and that's his job! Of course he is going to hype his own machines at a trade show!
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*** This post was edited by Peabody on 12/3/2002. ***
And I am simply just making a statement about what he said, Its not me who said it was gonna happen. He said to me and a couple of other people talking to him. I am just simply relaying what was said.
Also, I dont think that he would want another company having the fastest coaster. S&S takes pride in that accomplishment and Fujikyu Highlands also takes pride in owning the World's fastest coaster. Also you basically said how they would regain it.. an empty train. If Superman set a world record with an empty train, why cant dodonpa do the same thing?
I too heard that the ride was extremely intense pushing the riding envelope. I rode Hypersonic and can't imagine being launched over 100mph with that acceleration.
I think that CP #16 will only operate slightly faster than dodonpa so it wont make much of a difference if they crank it up just past CP#16 to regain the record. But since Dodonpa uses the trims on the vertical hill anways...if it can launch safely at 125, I can see it happening... Stan is that crazy.
Superman has indeed lost its intensity over the years and when we were out there in July it seemed to be operating well under 100mph. But in the case of Dodonpa and the Rocketcoasters, they dont have that luxury. If they dont operate at a minimum speed, they dont complete the circuit. With Superman, it can operate at any varying speed and still fulfill its purpose.
Thanks Peabody, I love an intelligent, spirited debate!
*** This post was edited by Chris Godsey on 12/3/2002. ***
Chris Godsey said:
If Superman set a world record with an empty train, why cant dodonpa do the same thing?
And why can't CP's? OK, Dodonpa 107 can go 125 (roughly 15% over it's operating speed)...Xcellerator 82 can go 110 (roughly 35% of it's operating speed.) So, let's assume that CP just beats Dodonpa with an operating speen of 110 (and I bet it's going to be MUCH higher!) that would give CP a possible speed of somewhere around 145! :)
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- Peabody
When we visited Knotts in early July, we heard XC max tested at 117...I think I remember hearing the Intamin tech say something about the current rocketcoaster system maxing out around 130. But geesh, that is still unreal
145 would be INSANE!!!!
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