CP - Force Seat Belts & T Bar Restraints
And LadyLegolasGreenleaf, you won't see me complaining about the setup anytime soon. What an ignorant remark to make when you don't even know me.
-Nate
yet you made comments that sounded very much like you accusing me of complaining about this because i myself am overweight.
maybe im complaining because the policy is just plain stupid and isnt solving anything.
Raven-Phile said:
Agreed. That petition is about as useful as the one to take down ARN&R.I've seen so much ridiculous stuff coming from enthusiasts lately that it's, well...ridiculous.
Hey, ANR&R is evil and out to corrupt your minds, Don't visit there whatever you do :)
Secondly, the policy is solving something - it's preventing people from riding who would be endangered if they were to do so. But you're right, parks should throw out all restrictions and let anyone who wants to ride. That sounds like a safe solution.
-Nate
there is no point in expressing my opinions on it. you have it all wrapped up Nate.
good for you.
now while youre at it, why not go and work for Intamin or CP (or BOTH) and solve this PROBLEM so everyone is happy??? *** Edited 5/22/2004 3:53:56 AM UTC by LadyLegolasGreenleaf***
coasterdude318 said:
Secondly, the policy is solving something - it's preventing people from riding who would be endangered if they were to do so.-Nate
By that statement, you are basically saying that the coaster , vis a vis the park and Intamin, has previously endangered riders if those riders were able to ride before but are now not able to. By saying that you are making something safe, you are implying that there was implict danger before.
So if I'm Joe X and I have a picture of me riding MF in 2003 and I return to CF in 2004 and am denied the ability to ride because of safety reasons, why would I not be able to claim that a situation existed where I was able to ride? If safety is the reason why the situation now exists why I cannot ride, then was my safety endangered when I rode the ride previously? If the answer to that question is NO, then why I am being discriminated against through new policy when you have just said it was previously safe to ride. If the answer to that question is YES, then why was the ride operated in an unsafe manner?
Why were you put into danger in the first place? Because the "flaw", if you will, wasn't known. It's really that simple.
As for the Lady, I don't need to go work for Intamin and/or CP because there is not a problem to fix. It's already been fixed; you just don't like the solution.
-Nate
a fix, if you will, is a solution that helps keep things status quo.
this is not what is happening. i just dont understand why you cant see that.
and if you havent noticed, i am not the only one who is unhappy with this "solution".
why must you take such a fanboy/corporate route on this?? what if you suddenly couldnt ride one of YOUR favorite rides because of a "solution" to a problem that doesnt exist?? why dont you think about THAT for a minute instead of insisting that everyone else is wrong for being unhappy?
as for me, if i die on a coaster, at least i will die doing something i love.
I know how I felt last season when I was turned away from Mean Streak. That shouldn't be a problem this year, but now I have to worry about MF. Will I be able to ride? or won't I?
Guess I'll just have to sit up as straight as possible, suck in my gut, and hope for the best.
In another thread on this topic, Jeff said:
I understand that my weight is what is keeping me off of the rides that I want to ride.But that's not what's keeping you off of the ride. Generally speaking, I slam enthusiasts who think that they're experts when it comes to ride safety, but this is a rare case where common sense is all you need to see that this new restriction is insane. You know from experience that there was never any way in hell you were ever going to come out of that ride, unless the belt broke, the bar came loose and you then stood up or hung out of the train.
You can't ride because Intamin is trying to cover their asses because people keep getting killed on their rides due, so far, to improperly restrained people, caused by human error. At SFNE, we might even be able to reason that the belts, 11" longer than others, were just too long to be safe, and combined with a lap bar not checked or pushed down, ejected a rider. How many failures is that on behalf of SFNE?
(emphasis added)
It's not too often that I go ahead and completely agree with Jeff, but common sense prevails with this one, Nate.
And whether you want to believe it or not, getting on a high horse about diet and exercise may provoke one or two people to change their habits, but the general trend is that Americans are getting larger. No amount of rhetoric or reasoning is going to stop that, not the way our lifestyle stands.
Americans clearly represent a very different market than Europeans, as others in this thread have mentioned. If Intamin wants to continue to have success in the American market, and satisfy its existing customers, imposing unreasonable restrictions on who can ride their rides is simply unacceptable. If other companies can conform to the market, so can Intamin. Either that, or the market mechanism will eventually drive them out of the American market.
This is not just an enthusiasts vs. park/manufacturer issue -- this is a GP issue too. This isn't about fanboys being pissed off about not being able to ride their favorite ride -- this is about a significant segment of the population as a whole being restricted from participating based on a condition that is mostly irrelevant from the real problem at hand.
The relevant angle in this argument is that Intamin doesn't want to do anything significant to solve a serious problem with their restraining systems. End of story. You wanna go on a tirade about weight loss, take it to Dr. Phil.
*** Edited 5/22/2004 5:07:47 AM UTC by Nitro Dave***
I can almost guarantee anyone who says "If I died on a coaster (from some sort of failure or accident, being that the ride itself killed you.)At least I'd die doing something I love." needs to know that when you're on your way tro your death, the last thing you'll be doing is smiling and loving the thing that just tossed your ass out.
-Josh
I can no longer fit on Scooby's ghoster coaster at PKD(damn junior PTC trains) but that doesn't stop me in the least from enjoying everything else the park has to offer & if I can no longer fit into S:ROS at SFA pending the changes made to the ride then so be it(although I'm hopeful that I'll still be able to) & I'd just have to deal with the fact that I can no longer ride if that does indeed turn out to be the case.
It looks like SFMM has won the coveted enthusiast title away from CP without even having to build coaster number 17 which is good cuz now they can focus on adding rides for the rest of us in the chain...CF's loss will be SFI's gain I suppose.
Someone should really consider closing this thread because all the fighting about the new rules at CP isn't getting anyone anywhere,you guys all enjoyed the park long before MF came along & if you give it a chance you can still enjoy it even without that one ride being available to you.
2022 Trips: WDW, Sea World San Diego & Orlando, CP, KI, BGW, Bay Beach, Canobie Lake, Universal Orlando
BATWING FAN SFA said:
I suppose we'll have folks boycotting the parks because they can no longer fit on the kiddie rides next?
If it gets them to start making rides bigger for people then I'm for that!
BATWING FAN SFA said:...all the fighting about the new rules at CP isn't getting anyone anywhere,you guys all enjoyed the park long before MF came along & if you give it a chance you can still enjoy it even without that one ride being available to you.
That's a bunch of BS! The main reason I bought a SEASON PASS was for me to RIDE all the coasters this season (not after I loose weight for next season)...not just the selected few the officials of CP have said that i'm safe on. Heck I would rather die on a coaster than at my home...at least I would die doing something I enjoy doing!
That's how my brain works, but I'm not sure about your brain. As I say: To each, his own.
Hey! That's MY hamburger!
Hey! That's MY hamburger!
Last year, 2003, Cedar Point did enforce (no pun intended) rider restrictions on MF & TTD. I watched many people leave the attractions. Do you think that everyone is upset because the attention to restrictions are more public? Think about it. It is for saftey. CP has always been strict with MF...GET OVER IT!
Intamin is not at fault for the rider dying in New England. There were plenty of "alleged" eye witness reports that the rider had been turned away during the day because the rider exceeded the ride restraints. The rider is at fault. The rider elected to get on the attraction again..and this time he got through and sadly he died. Read the report. The rider took his own life in his hands by falsifying his safety on the attraction. The responsibility lies with the park not enforcing their own and the manufacturers ride guidelines. In this case it would have been o.k. to ask the rider to get off. A little embarassment over death is not so bad.
People complaining that Intamin alienates a group of society....STOP IT! I was once a fat a$$. I elected to do something about it. This is not the solution in all cases. But it is a good start.
Why should Intamin "create" trains that fit people in North America..really the midwest? It is no secret that people in N.A. have an issue with food. We love food. Some of us could be addicted to it. Did anyone ever take into consideration that larger trains could hurt the physics of an attraction and thus increase the cost to build..only to be passed on to the park goers.
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