Clementon Park's new owners hope to improve experience

Tekwardo said:

Argument fail. You only need one highly attended attraction where just enough people are willing to stay over nite to support a hotel. There doesn't need to be anything else there. They already have several million guests coming In each year.

Not when the attraction representing the entire draw to the hotel is closed 35 percent of the time.

Only a few thousand of those would be needed to sustain a hotel.

And an attraction that would be open during the winter.

And again, the park flourished 36 years without the new coaster. Why did they build it? You tend to avoid comments that you can't spin.

Apples to oranges. Rides are the core business. If they dont invest in the park itself they'll lose business to the myriad of other parks around here.

Carowinds has been opened longer than GADv and yet they confirmed they're looking at building an onsite hotel.Goes against your argument that if it were needed it'd already be there.

Not really, Carrowinds is located in a large city.

And that park beats out Carowinds by a year. So I guess they're lying like the GADv president is lying?

Six Flags is trying to change the perception of Great Adventure as a destination and has been for years, but it hasn't happened yet. Hotlels crop up where they are needed. GA has been there for almost 40 years and nothing has cropped up .

I think it's amusing that something that started out as an offhanded comment has drummed up this much contraversy.

Even if the entire problem is infrastructure and waste water treatment like that one article suggests, these are things that are easily overcome with enough money. I would venture to guess the risk/benefit ratio isn't there, ie.. the Hotel company isn't going to see a great enough roi, to build a hotel there to make up for the initial outlay. Either way we can revisit this if when a hotel ever gets built. To me the only thing I think would be profitable is something along the lines of a Great Wolf Lodge, but there is also one of those not to far away, in the Poconos, which is a better destination with other stuff to do, and 2 other indoor water parks at NJTP exit 3.

Roll eyes, LOL
Bill is infatuated
with being a troll

For Christs Sake, man, there is only ONE R in Carowinds. One.

Otherwise, you're just saying the same nonsense over and over and I'm not going to shadow you by just repeating the same thing. You're argument doesn't hold water, and that's not going to change. Neither is the fact that you fail to understand that the lack of existence of X does not equal that it will never happen.

Carrrowinds! HA! ;)

Argument fail. You only need one highly attended attraction where just enough people are willing to stay over nite to support a hotel. There doesn't need to be anything else there. They already have several million guests coming In each year. Only a few thousand of those would be needed to sustain a hotel.

The Jackson community has not offered any tax incentives to outside companies wanting to build a hotel. I would guess that 99% of the parks attendance are day trippers that live within a hour of the park. A hotel might do okay, but I'm sure studies have been done by most of the major chains that some how indicate it's not worth it - otherwise we would have seen one by now.

And again, the park flourished 36 years without the new coaster. Why did they build it?

I'm assuming you are talking about Clementon here - the previous owners built Tsunami/J2/Puma/Hellcat specifically to market the park for sale - which then did.

Carowinds has been opened longer than GADv and yet they confirmed they're looking at building an onsite hotel. Goes against your argument that if it were needed it'd already be there. And that park beats out Carowinds by a year. So I guess they're lying like the GADv president is lying?

Cedar Fair has a reasonable track record on hotel operations - with their multiple properties at CP, the Knotts hotel, and the Kings Island hotel (since buying Paramount). Six Flags has a track record of only 1 very quickly failed hotel attempt (the Inn at SFO/SFWOA) and no successes (there might have been other attempts but that's the only one I'm familiar with).

Six Flags' failure in Aurora has nothing to do with location. There are a ton of hotels in that area. They're all around Kings Island, too. Are "99%" (made up statistic) of people going to KI day trip people too?

Jeff said:
Six Flags' failure in Aurora has nothing to do with location. There are a ton of hotels in that area. They're all around Kings Island, too. Are "99%" (made up statistic) of people going to KI day trip people too?

I have no idea, but I would guess that GA is made up of a greater percentage of daytrippers, because 16 percent of the US population lives within an easy drive.

These other places have to try and be a destination because they need to draw from outside the immediate area.

You're missing the point (there's a shocker). If the primary audience all lives within an hour or two, and that's what you're arguing for SFGAdv, and is most certainly the case for Kings Island, why would there be hotels there at all? Is Kings Island in an alternate universe?

Mason OH isn't within an hour or so of 2 of the top 4 metro areas in the country, they have to cast a wider net.

That makes your argument more absurd. Kings Island's attendance has historically been higher.

What else is there to do in Ohio, seriously?

Kings Island just may be a better run amusement park, I dont know.

It just keeps getting better.

I'm assuming from the lack of replies outside of Jeff's that most of us have our popcorn buckets just watching the wackiness unfold.

(Munch munch munch munch munch!)

Yeah, I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

But you just responded by indicating you weren't going to respond... ;)

Pass me that box, Travis.

Ooh, I hope it's Pop Qwiz!

2.5 million people went to the Columbus Zoo last year, for cripes sake.

The only explanation for Kings Island's attendance numbers is that there is nothing to do in Ohio.

Or maybe they're, ya know, great parks? Ohio actually has a rather full history when it comes to amusement parks. People all over the state grew up going to them, and many companies have had company picnics at them for years. Now that all the local parks are pretty much gone, they all go to the two big parks.

billb7581 said:
The only explanation for Kings Island's attendance numbers is that there is nothing to do in Ohio.

Can't be that. If Ohio was lacking for alternative sources of things to do, someone would have already built them.

Platinum Bass said:

billb7581 said:
The only explanation for Kings Island's attendance numbers is that there is nothing to do in Ohio.

Can't be that. If Ohio was lacking for alternative sources of things to do, someone would have already built them.

How did I miss that...
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