Clementon Park's new owners hope to improve experience

maXairMike said:
We do more than take pictures of big, shiny rolly-coaster rides and talk about pancakes. A lot more.

Yeah, sometimes we eat the pancakes too.

billb7581 said:
Six Flags has the zoning. The problem is likely wastewater treatment and getting piped into the sewer system. But like I said, these are hurdles that don't scuttle a profitable enterprise.

Not on their own, but couple that with the lack of additional development in the area and Six Flags' own concerns about branding in relation to other nearby parks and it probably adds up to concerns about pulling the trigger on something that they've considered.

Lord Gonchar said:

maXairMike said:
We do more than take pictures of big, shiny rolly-coaster rides and talk about pancakes. A lot more.

Yeah, sometimes we eat the pancakes too.

Maybe I need to just get some sleep, but man, that made me laugh!

Oh, is there a FlashPass available for the pancake line, by chance?

Lord Gonchar said:
Not on their own, but couple that with the lack of additional development in the area and Six Flags' own concerns about branding in relation to other nearby parks and it probably adds up to concerns about pulling the trigger on something that they've considered.

And I've also mentioned the electricity load issues that the park has had. I would suspect that there may be some...barriers to getting that particular utility extended to new development, considering the state of the park's supply.

Why would they be afraid to pull the trigger?

What would those concerns be?

Why would PSEG not want to sell them yet more electricity? That would get done for free.

I dunno. If any of us did, we wouldn't be closing in on the 15th page of the third thread discussing a stupid hotel at Six Flags New Jersey.

That's exactly the point where none of us really know and the debate begins.

You just won't say it. Their only concern could be financial. What else is there?

As Gonch said, branding inconsistencies. GAdv is also in an overlapping market with at least one other park (SFA), and possibly two (SFNE). Advertising campaigns that run in those markets may cause a fair bit of confusion and some branding inconsistencies. Working with a newly-launched branding focus in my current job has opened my eyes a little more to how complex and serious the issue of branding really is.

Confusion how? Sounds like a lot of nonsense to me, to obscure the fact that this endevor has a chance of not being profitible.

billb7581 said:
You just won't say it. Their only concern could be financial. What else is there?

Finacial concerns don't just mean long term profitability. It's quite an initial investment - especially for a company on their third management teams in the past 6 years and having just come out of bankruptcy.

Plus, it's a big decision to go into hotel business. It's not what Six Flags does...and they don't have to either, obviously.

And there's the financial concerns of market confusion/cannibalization that SF has mentioned officially. That's a financial issue.

There's certainly a potential financial angle in there, but it's not necessarily the one you want it to be.

It's quite an initial investment - especially for a company on their third management teams in the past 6 years and having just come out of bankruptcy.

Weren't they looking for a hotel chain to partner up with?

If Holiday Inn or whoever could build a hotel there profitable enough to beat the vig on the financing, they would be breaking ground tomorrow. It's a no brainer.

If you could borrow money for 4% and loan it out for 6% wouldnt you?

Who am I loaning it to? Have they had 3 different jobs and 3 different living quarters in the past 6 years and gone through a bankruptcy?

Holliday Inn or whomever is borrowing the money at 4% and paying that note back with the (sic) profits from the hotel.

This last beer is empty, I'm off to bed.. later.

And again, who are they partnering with? Someone who went through a bankruptcy, had 3 different jobs and 3 different living arrangements in the last 6 years? Yeah, I might not be too interested in taking out a loan to partner with someone like that as well.

There are a thousand strategic reasons not to go into businesses that aren't core to your overall business. While giant conglomerates like GE can get away with it, but relatively tiny Six Flags, with a bubble-ish feeling market cap of $2 billion, can't. Analysts would freak out.

Then why haven't any hotel companies saw fit to build a hotel closer to Six Flags? Isn't that their core business?

Besides, it's not like this idea got dreamt up yesterday. There have been at least 3 different administrations looking at the idea of an onsite hotel and none of them pulled the trigger.

You keep asking the same damn question over and over, and people give you reasons, and you ask it anyway.

This is done. Find something else to do.