Christian group says Disney no-fly zone interferes with free speech

Posted Wednesday, June 4, 2003 4:59 AM | Contributed by Jeff

The airspace above Walt Disney World has been free of aircraft since March, when the government said the resort was a terrorism target of symbolic value. But a Christian organization that wants to send banner-towing planes over the theme park during this week's Gay Days festivities thinks the no-fly zone equals no free speech.

Read more from The Tallahassee Democrat.

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 5:02 AM
Jeff's avatar I agree that the no-fly zone is little more than a feel-good measure, but they make it sound like the FAA is involved in some kind of homosexual conspiracy.

What a coincidence though, I decided I was straight during puberty when I saw a flying banner that said, "Jesus loves straight people better." What a relief! [/sarcasm]

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 5:19 AM
I love this story. As a former WDW cast member there is no doubt in my mind that this has little to do with the safety of guests. If planes can still fly into Reagan Nation (Dulles) then there is no reason they can't fly over WDW.

I love the part of the story where they have video tape of couples holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc. Call me guilty but I do all of that with my wife when I am at Disney.

I think the banner is stupid but I don't see any legitimate reason why they can't fly it. There are lots of other companies that agree that they should be allowed to fly their banners but I doubt they will get into this fight b/c they won't want to be associated with this group.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 5:44 AM
I, for one, would simply prefer to moon Disney visitors for attending a schmaltzy park. What about my rights?
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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 6:08 AM
Leave it to Playa to make me snort my coffee. I really should know better than read CBuzz with mug in hand...

"Free speech" my shiny white...underside. Yes, the "no fly" stuff doesn't do much, but c'mon, it has nothing to do with this group's "rights" to make idiots of themselves.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 6:39 AM
joe.'s avatar So why can't they just press shirts and do their propaganding that way? Pass out stickers or something. People love stickers.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 6:52 AM
If you're into some serious people watching, there's no better place that at Disney's Gay Days! 40% are there for the festivities, 25% are there to protest it, 25% had no clue this event was happening, and the other 10% are like me - laughing at everyone. It's the world's culture clash of religion and sexuality.

-Matt

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:03 AM
I love how some Christians think they can win people to Christ with banners, screaming and accusations. Especially when Christ himself said the greatest commandment, apart from "Love God," is "Love your neighbor as yourself."

If you really want to show someone Christ's love, you gotta have a friendship relationship with them first. Banners are not going to change anything.

/steps down from pulpit ;)

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:04 AM
Yes, there will be gay people in the park this weekend. Just like every other weekend. What's the big deal? Also, most of the Gay Days parties (which are taking place at WDW and IOA) start at 10:00 pm, after the general public has left the parks.
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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:27 AM
Actually, Reagan (DCA) and Dulles (IAD) are different airports.

The rules for flying into DCA are a bit different than other airports, at least during orange status: all passengers must be in their seats when the plane is within 30 minutes of DCA, either departing or arriving. If a passenger gets up during this time and does not immediately sit back down, the crew assumes they are hostile, and the plane will immediately land somewhere other than DCA (probably IAD or BWI, depending on approach, but I have no idea.)

I suspect the *real* reason Disney wants the no-fly zone is so they can better control the enviornment of their guests. A big "Eat At Joe's" banner (or better yet, "Visit Islands of Adventure") detracts from the Show.

Michigan has been pushing to make the football stadium a permanent no-fly zone, as well. The athletic dept's stated reason is that with 110,000 people, it makes an interesting target. I suspect the real reason is that it galls them that they've gatherd this large crowd so someone else can sell advertising time.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:34 AM
Why doesn't the group just rally to close the park? I mean, there's tons of gay people there even when the park's closed : ) Or better yet, they can put a booth right outside the Casting building and hand out pamphlets about all the reasons it's better to be a straight Disney CM...

As for the planes? Makes for a much more enjoyable visit without them, propoganda, advertisement, or otherwise.

-Jay

PS - Matt D? Same Matt from the MMC boards on Prodigy WAY back in the day? : )

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:39 AM
Kick The Sky's avatar Playa, just dont moon the park during Gay Days....

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:43 AM
I agree that the no-fly zone is window dressing, but I don't think that these people have even a weak case on freedom of speech. I hardly think that they can convince a federal judge that the no-fly zone was put in place to keep them from flying banners on gay day.

Aside from terrorism, there is some justification for this kind of restriction over amusement parks, stadiums, etc. Years ago some idiot was showing off in a plane over Memorial Stadium in Baltimore. He wound up crashing into the stands just after the departing spectators had cleared the area. A few minutes earlier and he might have killed a number of fans.
*** This post was edited by Jim Fisher 6/4/2003 11:46:14 AM ***

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:45 AM
( humor ) I'm sorry, but I've been to a Gay Day at Six Flags over Texas. It was exactly what I envisioned: nothing but debauchery wherever you looked. Now yes, I am a person of the alternative lifestyle, but my GOD what happens to gay men's brains when you stick hundreds of them together? Is wearing pants so tight we can tell what religion you are theme park appropriate? Dry humping in the queue lines, and there was so much butt grabbing to be witnessed!

Remember, in the bible, the 10th commandment tells us "Thou shall not covet thy neighbors ass". And with that in mind, my neighbors are all female and I cant wait to go again this year. Just keep the hairy ones away from me.. yeeek. ( /humor )

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:47 AM
Brian, I meant (& Dulles) but you get my drift.

What Disney really is trying to prevent is a big IOA banner flying overhead with the message "If You Want Real Thrills, take I-4 to Exit ____".

It would be more enjoyable to me if planes didn't fly over my house but I don't get to control that.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:18 AM
Mamoosh's avatar Panther - considering I see straight couples making out [and in some rare cases virtually simulating sex] in line each day I visit a park I don't see what the big deal is when gay people do it on one single day.

Moosh - does not attend gay days

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:29 AM
I don't recall it saying anything in the Bible about harassing and degrading people to save them, I manage to find a group of pushy angry Christains everywhere I go latley (concerts, I work at PGA which just had Gay Day etc.) I wish they would mind their own buisness sometimes, I make my own choices and I don't need people following me around telling me I am wrong

Oh Yeah bear in mind I am a Christain

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:39 AM
Kick The Sky's avatar I really think Moosh hit the nail on the head... There is no more or no less making out ect.. in the lines and in the park than any other day at the park, just that it is between people of the same sex. I personally think that a park is not a place to be making out by anyone and that if you want to do that take it somewhere private and not a family park. I have been in a park on a gay day and let me tell you it wasnt what I was expecting. I didnt see the displays of leather pants and constant sexual overtones. I saw a lot of nice people having a good time.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:40 AM

Playa, just dont moon the park during Gay Days....

Of course not. I would use my right of free speech to insult the Disney visitors, not salute them.

-'Playa
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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 9:03 AM
You know, it's such a shame that so-called "Christians" want nothing more than to judge people and ruin their day at a park. I've never been to a gay day at any park, but I have friends (both gay and straight) that have, and some have said it was rather risque'(yes, both gay and straight have said this), while others of both groups said they had a nice time where people just had fun and rode rides. I guess it just depends on the area, and the crowd. But honestly, they don't stop Bike Week or things like that (though some few try), but I'd almost bet that there are more that try to stop events like this, while members of the KKK or other like groups march and have their days at parks. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to have their days if they want them too, but its a form of freedom of speech/religion/etc. to want to gather(isn't right to assemble in that there constitution too?).

Christ, as was pointed out earlier, said the second greatest commandment was to love your neighbor As Yourself. If only these people would spend time reading AND studying the bible instead of pushing their views on others.

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