Cedar Point '07 Project

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coasterfreaky said:

Correct - And that's why there are other Cedar Fair parks in their portfolio - one even an hour away.

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But the general public isn't aware of other parks in the chain. The vast majority of people don't even realize Cedar Point *is* part of a chain. And even if they were, its not as if a family can easily go to Cedar Point if they want thrill rides, and then go to, say, Dorney if they want family oriented rides. What they *can* do in many cases is go to PKI which for many people is just as close than any other park in the Cedar Fair chain.

You're being very enthusiast-centric here without thinking about the thoughts and ideas of the average fellow who just wants to take his family out for a Saturday of fun this summer. *** Edited 5/8/2006 5:59:01 PM UTC by matt.***

Being an old fart, I agree that CP needs something more family oriented that can be ridden by the younger kids and still be thrilling enough for the older set. Remember, they took out a ride that catered to young and old.

Outside of Iron Dragon, CCMR and Disaster Transport, there is very little in the park that meets that criteria.

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CPLady said:

Outside of Iron Dragon, CCMR and Disaster Transport, there is very little in the park that meets that criteria.

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Which right there is more than most parks!

Lets not forget that Cedar Point has two very extensive childrens areas, two childrens roller coasters. A whole butt-load of family friendly flat rides. Two transportation style rides. Two water rides ect....

10 fairly thrilling coasters (Blue Streak, Mean Streak, Raptor, Mantis, Magnum, Millenium Force, Wicked Twister, Top Thrill Dragster, Gemini, Corkscrew)

5 fairly thrilling non coasters (Power Tower, Demon Drop, Chaos, Max-Air, Skyhawk)

So there is really at the very least 45 family or children oriented rides in the park! Most parks dont even have that many rides! Now throw in all of the shows and games ect, and tell me they dont have anything for families to do.

What do you mean they need more family oriented rides? Have you forgitten about these...

Tilt a wirl

Troika

Space spiral

cp-le railroad

sky ride

gemini

wave swinger

antiqe cars

caddilac cars

turnpike cars

calypso

thunder canyon

snake river falls

2 caresels(sp)

cedar downs

ocean motion

scrambler

matterhorn

himilaya

camp snoopy(6 rides)

monster

mine ride

Iron dragon

Disaster transport

giant wheel

challenge park(go carts, mini golf, trampoline)

soak city

live shows

beach

arcade(s)

frontier trail

petting farm

glass blowing

peanuts playground

kiddy kingdom

dodgems

paddlewheel boats

These are all family oriented rides and attractions that can be ridden by family members young and old. You may even add maxair,skyhawk,wildcat and blue streak to the list. That is more than enough to fill a weekend up for a family.

Ok, so now we have 7 coasters that may not be quite family oriented(unless your my family), and a handfull of flats that "thrill seakers" enjoy.

So how do you figure that there is not a good balance of rides at the park?

Everybody that I know, goes to cedarpoint to ride the coasters. That is what cedarpoint is all about to most people.

Imo, more butts are going to go thrue the gate if a new "mega coaster" is built....not a water ride.

P.S,

When I say mega coaster, I dont mean it has to be 500 ft high eather.

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GothamJ said:

and tell me they dont have anything for families to do.

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You're twisting words around. Its not that they don't have *anything* for families to do, its that there isn't enough. Again, my partner doesn't really like thrill rides all that much. That means that for doing things together, we're looking at the shows, which I've already conceded are much better than average, and a handful of other attractions which are nice enough but not really compelling enough for me to take the drive out. Its not only the number of family attractions but the quality of them as well.

Ok, so outside of Universal Studios and Disney, name something at another park that Cedar Point does NOT have...

(besides a log flume which is obvious) *** Edited 5/8/2006 8:47:35 PM UTC by GothamJ***

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crazy horse said:

Everybody that I know, goes to cedarpoint to ride the coasters. That is what cedarpoint is all about to most people.

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*sigh* You're illustrating my point pretty well here. Its not about "everybody that you know." Everybody that you know is not somehow representative of the demographic that goes to the park, or who could potentially go to the park but isn't going currently.

Sounds like you and your partner need to go to disney or universal studios, and not most amusement parks.

If your looking for better "quality" rides, what other park could you go to? All amusement parks that I have ever been to pretty much have the same "types" of rides except disney or universal.

Ok matt,

Look at the lines for all the large coasters, and you will see large masses of people. Now look at rides like paddlewheel and iron dragon, and the lines are almost empty. *** Edited 5/8/2006 8:56:09 PM UTC by crazy horse***

It's not all about what Matt and his partner wants either. Heaven help you if you can't find enough to do at Cedar Point. They give you an inch...

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coasterfreaky said:
It's not all about what Matt and his partner wants either.

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Its not, you're right.

Its about what that family who used to go to Cedar Point who doesn't anymore wants.

The reduced prices may help dramatically.

The addition of some newer, more family oriented rides may help more.

Is this really so difficult? *** Edited 5/8/2006 9:04:38 PM UTC by matt.***

Crazy Horse...

Name the newest thing on your extensive list up there.

And not everyone goes to CP for the coasters. In fact, if you surveyed the resort guests on an annual basis I would bet less than half of them put coasters as there #1 reason for going to the Point each year.

In fact, it may be less than 1/4 of the resort guests.

If comparing Cedar Point to other parks is your barometer of how many family oritented rides they should have then lets take that a step further.

Cedar Point should have stopped building rollercoasters in '94 after Raptor. By then they certainly had as many...if not more...coasters than your typical park.

Sorry, but your dog don't hunt.

Truthfully, Cedar Point doesn't "need" anything. They have a stellar line up of coasters, shows and rides. Just the fact that have the space and the money, and add something pretty much every year gives them the advantage over almost every major park outside of Disney.

As far as what some of you may "want", that's apples and oranges. Your not going to convince thrillseekers that a shiny new coaster isn't the way to go, and anything less than that and they'll be disappointed (even if they won't admit it).

On this flip side, all the people yelling "family ride"! will be the first one's booking flights and hotel rooms if CP adds another major rollercoaster. So the park's best bet is probably to add another coaster, as sad as that sounds.

Getting overlooked in the whole discussion is a point that someone made earlier. You can build a ride that will please both sides, and have enough money left to build a whole new area surrounding it as well. Thunderhead? Journey To Atlantis? Powderkeg?

Is anyone listening?

Ok,

Maxair

skyhawk

camp snoopy

Snoopy rocks on ice

And in that time we have also recived 3 thrilling coasters....dragster, millennium, wicked twister.

So again....how is the balance off?

We went on opening weekend, and I can tell you that while sitting in the hot tub at breakers waiting for the fireworks show to start, there were a ton of people in the new hot tub and all of them(not related) were talking about what coaster they were going to get in line for in the morning. NOT what show or flat ride they were going to ride.

Go ahead and do a survey.....I think that you may be supprised. And cedar point is not your typical park....they are a thrill park. Does the slogan "ride on" tell you anything?

By the way, I forgot to add jr gemini and the kiddy ride area near it to my list.

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GothamJ said:
Ok, so outside of Universal Studios and Disney, name something at another park that Cedar Point does NOT have...

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Is my interactive dark ride still out of bounds? Thought so... ;)

Even better yet, an interactive water ride!

^ World's tallest fastest FSS? Those would be some easy records to snag! :)

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crazy horse said:

Maxair
skyhawk

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Maxair has a height requirement of 52 inches and travels at 70 mph according to the website.

Skyhawk is a bit better at 48" and 60 mph.

But obviously we have very different opinions about what family oriented rides are.

I have to call into question as to whether there really isn't enough for the younger/less thrill-oriented set to do. Is it that there really isn't, or is it that there's so much for the thrillseekers to do that it makes it appear that there's not enough family-style stuff to do? I think sometimes people focus so much on the coasters/thrill rides that they forget that there's family stuff around. CP's not lacking kiddie rides and it's not lacking calm rides. It just has alot of thrill rides, and those are all alot of people pay attention to. Seriously, I don't quite see where this lack-of-mild-rides theory is coming from.

I think it's as Jeff said a while back. People perceive it as thrills-only, but if you take a second and go over that park map, you'll see differently.

I think what the conversation is boiling down to is that it isn't maybe a lack of family oriented rides, its just that in the past 10 or 15 years there hasn't been much of an upgrade in that department.

The vast majority of the stuff that was listed above is all *fantastic.* And I say that whole heartedly, I love CP and have since my first visit. I just think that there would be some definate benefits in beefing up what's already in existance at the park. It would only take one or two marquee family-type attractions to really round the park out, I think.

If they are indeed building a new water ride, or even a water coaster, I think they're probably 75% there. *** Edited 5/9/2006 12:13:56 AM UTC by matt.***

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Jeff said:
......the live entertainment, [which] is pretty good.......

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Well, that's debatable. It's more like tryouts for American Idol.