Cedar Point '07 Project

Trenching the area around the layout wouldn't solve the problem. Look at this picture -

http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=4620

We have individual footers right on top of the water. Unless the turn over the swan pond is going to be severely underbanked any cars on the side of the track would be taking a dip into the water.

Also, just closing DT and using the existing building wouldn't be just as easy. The building is built specifically around a ride that already existed. Ripping apart DT without doing the same to the existing building and then somehow installing a multimillion dollar ride *inside* the building would be a massive undertaking with virtually no benefit.

That being said I don't think we're seeing a ride with a substantial indoor section. We already have tons and tons of footers poured, without any sorts of concrete pads that would indicate the floors of large buildings.

i think its oging to be soem kind of douling coater. iw as there over the weekend and if u look at soem suports they have these weird angles that look liek they hold to tracks. sorry if this was said already but w/e

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Kyle Fobe said:
I honestly doubt that many people know that a sidewinder is a snake. Though I could be wrong....anyway...all coasters presently built named sidewinder go upside down...check it out on rcdb.com...you have sidewinder a boomerang at HersheyPark, and sidewinder a launched shuttle at Six Flags Elitch Gardens. So that leads me to believe that the coaster will go upside down.

A lateral looping motion could be many inversions...like a corkscrew...or better yet an inline roll? I could be totally off but that's what that means to me...or also a helix.

Anyway could it be both a watercoaster and have inversions? I don't see why not...also it could be the tallest fastest water coaster...who knows...all im saying is that it's good to keep our minds open and those signs can mean a lot of diffferent things to different people obviously.

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I realize that you were trying to justify your argument by saying that not many people know what a sidewinder is but think about it, more people probably know that it is a snake and not some boomerang at Hershey Park. Another thing I wanted to point out is that just because some inverting coasters have the name sidewinder doesn't mean that this coaster will go upside down.That would kinda be like saying every roller coaster named Boomerang will be a Vekoma Boomerang. Anyways, it's a pretty good bet the name will be Maverick, I think you might be reading into the signs a little too much. :)

On the previous page Kyle said: I honestly doubt that many people know that a sidewinder is a snake.

Dude...that is the FIRST thing most people think of! The snake has been around a lot longer and is more widely-known than some inversion on a roller coaster that I would bet many enthusiasts can't identify. lol

Ok let me justify myself....I never knew the sidewinder was a snake. When I saw that coaster at HersheyPark I thought someone just made up the name to be honest. :)

Oh I know the name will be Maverick most likely I'm just saying on the sign it said sidewindin so yeah like going up side down. I'm just sharing my opinion I really know nothing about this at all.

I didn't mean to frustrate anyone or make anyone mad..I'm just speculating.

You didn't frustrate or anger me at all. It is just speculation and everyone has their opinions, I was just trying to help you understand what most people would probably think from your post and give you a heads up before some pretty harsh comment were said. :)

Didn't make me mad...just thought it was funny that you didn't think of the snake first ;)

Is that snake really popular? I honestly have never heard of it before. :)

There are three species of snake that are typically called sidewinders. They are rattlesnakes that live in the desert region of the SW US and NW Mexico.

They're well known because of the way they move. Unlike most snakes that use their scales to pull themselves across the ground on their belly, they move in a way that has come to be known as sidewinding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewinding

Definately a good way for a snake to move over the sandy dune areas of the SW.

Also worth noting that there are other species of snakes in the world that use the sidewinder approach to locomotion. I'm not sure if the non-American species are commonly referred to strictly as a sidewinder as the native species are.

ps - For the record I hate both U of Mich. and ND, in that order. ;)

edit - a great picture of a snake in the act:

http://folio.photosource.com/fview.php?id=1120

*** Edited 8/3/2006 1:49:19 AM UTC by Incidentalist***

That's crazy! I don't get out much I guess. ;)

Anyway...Hate Michigan all you want....but when you live in South Bend, like me its very very hard not to be a Notre Dame Fan. ;)

Besides, this is the year of the championship! :)

Sidewinder is also a missle! That means, the new ride must be a rocket coaster! ;)

No, no, it's a 500 foot rocket Aquatrax, silly! ;)

Haven't Any of Ya'll been to Chuck E. Cheeses...They have a game called the sidewinder. Its a squiggley flat board, with a rattle snake as a pic on it. The object of the dang game has nothing to do with the coaster, but I figured i would just put this up since there is a debate going on about Sidewindin'...gosh!

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Thom25 said:
This is all very interesting speculation, and I for one am baffled. I would prefer it not to be an aquatrax, and still hold out hope for the new proto type train. I understand the logic that the supports and track are too close to the ground, but also know trenching the area around the layout would solve for the problem. I also understand Talon and a number of rides, too close to the ground used this very technique. It makes sense to build the ride first, then work the ground and complete landscaping later (call me crazy).

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Trenching would have occurred by now as to not disturb the soil that the footers are poured in. There are no trenches, and it will not be a prototype train.

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Everyone seems to forget or neglect some of the truly HUGE footers on site, and those would not be needed for an aquatrax.

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Apparently you haven't done much research on the topic.

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1646.htm?picture=6

That picture clearly shows footers even BIGGER than the ones on the CP site, in place for an AquaTrax.

More things that make you go hmmmmm:

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1646.htm?picture=21

http://www.rcdb.com/ig3570.htm?picture=4

I definately wouldn't mind seeing an Aquatrax, and it's not the first time I've said so.

BUT, how wet, if at all, do you get on an aquatrax coaster? I've never seen a pic that shows that you actually interact with the water in any way other than the pic Moosh linked.

With water in the name of the coaster type, you'd think you'd have to get wet. Just looking for some hard (or wet) evidence.

Inci - in addition to the launch and speedy coaster portion [part of which can be seen in the link I provided above] Atlantis Adv also includes a somewhat traditional shoot-the-chutes type life, turn, and drop as seen here:

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1646.htm?picture=15

My guess is that is where the big splash occurs.

EDIT - Nope...I spoke too soon. Found this aerial pic:

http://www.parkfunworld.be/coasterdumois/2004/Atlantis02.jpg

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Found this picture:

http://www.coasterforce.com/images/atadv2.jpg

It shows that there is actually water used.

http://www.intaminworldwide.com/i_products_water.htm

Click the aquatrax pic in the lower left corner of that site. It shows the cars splashing down.

Edit...the cars dont actually splash down, it looks like the up-stop wheels are the only part of the car to hit the water. *** Edited 8/3/2006 3:38:34 AM UTC by GothamJ***

Well I would not base how wet a Aquatrax ride will be on just Atlantis Adv.