Brawl closes SFMM on Saturday night
So I pose the question. . .What would YOU do to "completely eliminate fights"? If your answer is "It is impossible to completely eliminate fights", then there isn't a problem. Magic Mountain has already limited them to a rarity. Fire away. . .
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And as for Rent a Cops not being scary, I agree to a certain extent. But the reason they aren't scary is part of the problem. They can be scary and do their job. No one every said, that I saw, that you can completely eliminate fights. We're offering suggestions on how to prevent so many happening. If it was such a 'rarity', then why do I hear about this slightly often?
TeknoScorpion said:
...due to my distaste of children.
Babies taste of chicken.
Eddie Izzard? Dressed To Kill?
Best Stand-up ever. Nevermind. :)
Kids under 18 needing a parent to get in would just make the park go completely under.
Fights are a sociological problem, not a theme park problem. Even if you disagree, fights at Magic Mountain happen SIGNIFICANTLY less than other teen hangouts. This is getting blown way out of proportion.
Jeffrey R Smith said:
No a race baiter is somebody who sees a statement like this:“People like Jessie make it impossible for Six Flags to act.”And then proceed to discuss/opine that the color of Jessie’s (it is Jessie not Jesse) skin is the issue rather than Jessie’s actions. A race baiter is a person that will not allow any criticism of a person’s action if the said person happens to be the race baiter’s chosen color of protection (protected class)
Good point? Uhh, one small problem...
Coastaplaya ACTUALLY said:he's more entertaining / interesting / infuriating than your average high-profile publicity whore
Click Click, film film, blah blah, seeya!
The real issue wasn't what went on at the school...it was just another soapbox to stand on while yipping about his own long-standing agenda.
...you're no better than Jesse or any other camera-seeking windbag,
Exactly how many more names do I have to call him before you realize it's...what's the word? Criticism?
Jeffrey R Smith said:
A race baiter will actively ignore behaviors that may lead a reasonable person to denounce such behaviors and instead insinuate that skin color is the real reason for any such denouncement. A race baiter is incapable of seeing anything without bringing skin color into the equation. A race baiter almost always grants complete immunity to certain people (protected class) for no other reason than the color of skin.
Real world please?
Coastaplaya said:It happens everywhere whether the park is a CF park or a SF park. It's not a race problem. It's not a gang problem. It's a people problem. Figure it out already
The point I made--and will make once again--is that you're no better than Jesse or any other camera-seeking windbag, regardless of race or creed.
Jeffrey R Smith said:
Your actions certainly look like a race baiter to me. But maybe the act of writing hides the true you.
No, the act of READING reveals me. Try it sometime.
Jeffrey R Smith said:
If I did not know better, I would think that you secretly enjoy and endorse fighting at amusement parks as a good thing. Is this true, or do I read you wrong?
You mean, for a CHANGE? ;)
It's claiming SFMM needs to move or let every manager's head roll that's silly. It's as silly as saying that should happen at DP because fights broke out every day for at least two seasons or VF because a report of a regrettable and senseless attack made the media.
But of course, I've said that already too.
Cuz the central issue isn't really important. It's merely a soapbox to stand on while preaching a notion you were already nursing--everything about SFMM must be done away with.
Echo, echo, echo, echo...
-'Playa
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NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
It won't stop problems, but it will be a nice deterrant. How anybody can't agree with that, I dunno. I guess YMMV.:)
He accuses you of not being able to read/comprehend his post. Trust me, take a look at any past post when people have proved that Playa's Opinions (are not) = to The truth of the matter.
I'd say just drop it, the choir is behind you anyways and he'll just keep coming back pulling up old stuff that doesn't concern this thread, bla bla bla, the same old crap with a different subject header. I'm sure he'll attack me next. In fact, I'm counting on it ;).
I'd go one step further--DROP the coaster count. Yes, you heard correctly.
Ship Deja Vu to a park that has space issues, but not as many pressing capacity issues (SFEG anyone? How about SFKK?). Ship Flashback to the scrap heap. Raid the Huss catalog for high capacity flats to replace them, bring the family rides back online and steal GL's failed ad campaign, "The Fun is Back."
Age-related rules? I don't know. Seems that would quadruple the fights at the front gate if you ask me.
-'Playa
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NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
Lord Gonchar said:
Babies taste of chicken.Eddie Izzard? Dressed To Kill?
Woah, I missed that back there.
"Running, jumping, climbing trees, putting on makeup..."
westcoaster man said:
I never said rich kids don't cause trouble, i was just stating that Valencia is a nice upscale area becuase the question was asked...........what type of area is SFMM in? Besides it's known fact that the problems come outta the LA areas. When was the last time you saw a group of rich kids of any race in a riot? non violent protest maybe, riot very uncommon.
This has to be one of the most ignorant comments I've ever seen on Coasterbuzz. Have you seen what has happened after several college games? And, it doesn't matter whether or not the team has won the championship or not-they still riot. Now, let me ask you-who's going to the universities? Is it poor kids? Unless they have a scholarship, no.
(drumroll please)
"Kids will be kids..."
I don't even know how to respond to that.
(Found in a similar discussion here)
But here's a word that's been thrown around here a lot...RIOT.
Riot? What riot?
Police in riot gear don't make a fight a 'riot' any more than cops in bulletproof vests make it a shootout. Ten kids were arrested--total--in two fights. Three were let go, though whether they were in the total ten or not is a bit unclear.
Frankly, anyone who's ever seen cops train in riot gear realize it's as much about protecting the other person as it is themselves. They don't wanna be punched OR punch somebody else if they don't have to. Sure, letting flail with a baton might ease a lil' stress...but it has this annoying tendency of leaving marks and instigating those messy lawsuits.
None of those facts stop Peabody/RGB's signature from being funny as hell. But anyway...
-'Playa
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NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
Babies taste of chicken.
Eddie Izzard? Dressed To Kill?
Best Stand-up ever. Nevermind.
Maybe if SFMM was a country, they could use their army. Do they have a flag?
No flag, no country!
I'm with ya there, Gonch. :)
Best. Standup. Ever!
a_hoffman50 said:
I am a college student and have no scholarships and cannot be called rich by the standards of this world. I can say that the majority of my college friends are not "rich" either, but then again we are not the ones causing or adding to riots. *** Edited 5/27/2005 4:02:34 PM UTC by a_hoffman50***
Considering that even many of the poorest people in this country are "richer" than 97% of the people on Earth, I'd say you're pretty lucky. I am not sure if I should be amused or horrified if you think that going to college and having no scholarships provided to you makes you poor.
My mother was on a cruise recently and was told by her housekeeper that she earned $74 per month on the ship -- and that was considerably more money than she'd have earned if she stayed in her own country.
--Madison
And don't forget, she earns 74 dollars a month, plus room, plus board, plus whatever benefits (if any).
It's not so much the cost of living that's so expensive, it's the cost-of-living-the-lifestyle-that-we-feel-we're-entitled-to-or-need-to-keep-up-with-what-we-see-on-TV that's so expensive.
First of all, the park is not dirty and smelly. It is actually pretty well kept. Yes, rides do seem to close on a regular basis. However, like westcoaster man said, it is usually just a few rides (generally smaller ones, like Goldrush, Ninja or the water rides, but usually not the big ones).
As far as the clientele is concerned, you have to look at the target customer base. While Magic Mountain is technically a family park, the bulk of the rides are aimed at older people (as opposed to children and parents). The majority of the crowd is made up of high school students. Unfortunately, LA does have quite a few gangs. Consequently, alot of gangbangers come to SFMM. However, they don't mess with people like us (who aren't in gangs or pretending they are). If they pick fights, it is among themselves. Yes, they do have metal detectors at the entrance, so I don't see how someone would bring in a gun or knife. KBF and Disneyland are much more family parks, so you have a decidedly different crowd at those parks. However, going to KBF during Halloween Haunt can feel a little shady.
While it is a shame that an unsavory element can come into the park, I do not consider SFMM ghetto or unsafe. Given the choice between KBF and SFMM, I would take the Mountain any day. Personally, I think SFMM is one of the best Six Flags parks, considering the sheer number of huge rides. That, and only SFMM has X, which is my favorite coaster.
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