Brawl closes SFMM on Saturday night

2Hostyl, when Kennywood was an open gated park they had problems with kids coming to the park and causing trouble. They started charging to get in and they still have no season pass. They no longer have any trouble.

Raise the prices and watch the riff raff disappear.

SFMM will crunch the numbers and analyze the risk-reward ratio of having fewer high-end guests at higher prices with less security, or more disatisfied low-end guests at lower prices with more security.

Bill

PS: I used to call people "fags" all the time, until I came out of the closet.

I'm old and mean...but not alone...yet! :-)

Tried to talk about the fights, but the thread has turned into...

1. The "fags" have ruined Disneyland
2. The "Mexicans" have ruined KBF
3. The "blacks" (not sure if this term was used, but we all get the picture) have ruined SFMM!

This sort of reminds me of those two threads on Dollywood a few months ago where the "white trash" ruined that park.

I'm confused...where can I go to a park that has yet to be ruined?

Looks like we have an SFMM idiotboy to do the CP idiotboys proud! Nothing says credibility like coming out of the lurking shadows to attempt the character assassination of a long-time member.

IIRC, the Knotts Cinco de Mayo riot was due to the park having to close as it had reached capacity.

Correct. They were offering a ridiculously low admission price [$5?] and got a much larger crowd than they bargained for. By noon the park was at capacity with thousands of people still arriving every hour, only to find out they couldn't get it.

As for Gator's "walk of trash" to his hotel I can vouch for that. It did indeed happen.

If anything, the KBF Cinco De Mayo incident strengthens the 'raise the price, lose the riffraff' argument, doesn't it?

-'Playa

8.3: If people were arguing about the total *elimination* of season passes, I might be inclined to listen. You have presented a reasonable scenario with Kennywood, though I would argue that even without the passes, KP still had problems with 'hooliganism', for example, needing to regulate the bridge in the Phantom's Revenge line because people were throwing things at passersby. But I digres...

The point I was addressing is that some people seem to think that it is the price of the pass that is determining factor. I am making the counter argument that even the price of season passes charged by those parks that allegedly dont have such problems are still relatively 'cheap' compared to the non-amusement park options.

On another note, do I have to get all Wilbon and take up for my Kornheiser (RGW)? ;)

lata, jeremy

But that's where you'd be mistaken.

While I can't speak for every county in every state in the US, I know that in my suburban Minnesota county it's perfectly legal to have an 11 year-old babysit provided the parent is returning that day.

In short: You don't have to get a sitter for a kid of hell-raising age. They ARE the sitters.

-'Playa

2Hostyl,

I wasn't refuting the babysitting comment, but I'm not sure how many people really do that or how much of the trouble starts that way. However, raising the pass price does have some effect on the later teen crowd that isn't getting subsidized by the parents anymore.

So what's your point?

*My* point is that whether the price is $50 or $200, given that this is entertainment for the whole summer, I think those who are buying passes would continue to buy passes.

I suppose you could say that people wont buy passes period. But I think that anyone willing to buy their kid a 50 pass, would pay 200 just as easily to keep them busy for the whole summer. Rather than coughing up money every week to try and provide other options.

But admittedly, that's just my belief.

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2Hostyl said:

If you've ever had to pay for child care/ supervised activities, you'd understand that even $200 FOR A WHOLE SUMMER is getting off cheap! And few, if any, parks charge that amount.

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Been there, done that for nearly a consecutive decade. Oh yeah, it's cheaper--even after reconfiguring the family work schedule so we'd only have to have them watched 3 days a week.

But simple high school economics also dictate the higher priced the product, the fewer the buyers. So sure--you won't knock off everybody with a price increase. But the odds you'll price out some of the troublemakers goes up significantly.

Didn't one of the Disney parks become quite the teen goth hangout during a brief experiment with cheap season passes? My memory's a bit fuzzy...

-'Playa

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2Hostyl said:
On another note, do I have to get all Wilbon and take up for my Kornheiser (RGW)? ;)

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No sweat j, simma...LOL!

Seriously though (just for ONE moment), if I didn't love ALL parks, what the HECK am I doing here 160-some-odd hours a week? :)

I can't imagine *hating* a park, it would be like hating a CHILD....some parks just need a little more "tough love" than others do...;)

SFMM *has* the rides in place. That's the HARD part, IMO, cause that's *expensive*. Changing the atmosphere and the attitude of the guests AND the employees, making their day BETTER, that's what the park is THERE for. Is any of this making sense? LOL!

I don't feel *attacked* at all, no biggie on my end. But I do wonder why it is that people take the "my park is Heaven and can't be improved upon and all criticisms of it are inherently invalid" approach. When the *perfect* park exisits, I'll simply link to it and stop putting forth all this "effort".....it IS a labor of love for me though, so it's enjoyable. Nobody else even READS this junk, do they? ;)

Well first off i am not trying to do any character assassination of a long-time member Jeff. I was just saying Rollergator was over doing it with the trash, and that i do agree with him about the management. I am not trying to make anyone believe SFMM is this perfect park because we all know its far from it, I just think people over exaggerate imo.

Moosh your just a person just like Gator, so what makes your words golden, like i said wheres the proof. You guys provide proof of anything new being built at the park yet you guys never provide proof of the horrible condition the park is suppose to be in.

Also i don't think the customer should have to tell the employee how to do their job, but if you see an employee and there not doing what they are supposed to be doing then yes I think something should be said. Especially if the problem is something that is offending the customer, like stinking trash.

I never said rich kids don't cause trouble, i was just stating that Valencia is a nice upscale area becuase the question was asked...........what type of area is SFMM in? Besides it's known fact that the problems come outta the LA areas. When was the last time you saw a group of rich kids of any race in a riot? non violent protest maybe, riot very uncommon.

Regardless what caused it, i was just stating that Knotts had a riot a few years back. It doesn't matter the cause, a riot is a riot.

I also never said anything about Fags, mexicans, or blacks ruining anything. This must be how you feel because i never said anything like that. I was just stating an know fact that Dlands main customers were fags, seniors, and children not that they ruined anything.

Anyways i agree with some of the points made to help make the park better like raising prices, more security etc etc. My whole point was that the park is not as bad as some try to make it out to be. Anyways Rollergator/Moosh i'm not trying to start a fight with you or get on your shhht list lol your just stating your opinions like i made mine so no hard feelings to anyone. Oh yeah Jeff i return to lurking in the shadows:O)~

Even the rides in place Gator are still lacking (besides coasters). That is basically all this park is (coasters).

Flat rides are almost non-existent and with a handfull of rides shut down, options at this park unless you are a thrillseeker are almost none.

My take on SFMM? Being a coaster nut, I enjoyed the park. The rest was just ho-hum.

Moosh your just a person just like Gator, so what makes your words golden, like i said wheres the proof.

What kind of proof are we supposed to have? I didn't have a camera with me and I don't think Gator did either. If you don't want to believe me, fine...but I'm speaking the truth.

You guys provide proof of anything new being built at the park yet you guys never provide proof of the horrible condition the park is suppose to be in.

I never gave proof of anything new being built at SFMM. WTF are you talking about? Tell you what: next time I go to SFMM I'll take a camera and will gladly post pics. But you'll have to wait until December as I only go to the park once a year so I can renew my pass to use at other, cleaner, and better SF parks across the USA.

So true Moosh. This $48 season pass in my wallet has worked wonders at SFGAm this year and will continue to do so until October. :)

Why would anybody want to take pictures of trash in a park while they visit to have a good day? Niether of them need to show you 'proof', there are enough people saying the same thing about SFMM, and I was always told if it waddles and quacks, it ain't no turkey.

I agree with what rollergator (no capital 'R', just like there is no 'ch' in TeknoScorpion) said, the biggest problem with SFMM is that it has potential to be the best park ON THE PLANET, but isn't.

When I was there in March, the flowers around the fountain in front of Revolution's loop had trash strewn everywhere. When we started the day out, the park was spotless, we were there for ERT, and it looked nice. As the day got on, though, it got trashed up.

The problems with SFMM? I can't complain about Customer Service because I didn't have any bad experiences with any personel, but the entire park needs painted and the coasters maintained. The walkways need to be kept clean, and I never once saw anyone in security walking around the park. I did often @ SFGAm, however. The park has potential, but most of the people that 'bash' SFMM do so only because they know it has potential. Just like Revolution, Colossus, and Psyclone, all of which have potential to be top 10 coasters for me, they fall short because of the level of care from higher ups. *** Edited 5/25/2005 4:45:34 AM UTC by TeknoScorpion***

Oh, and one other thing, biggot:

Also who and the hell wants to go to Dland it sucks, if your not a fag, child, or senior citizen. Not that i have any thing against those groups of people, i'm just stating that's the type of crowd Dland gets.

I'm heterosexual, 24, and don't get a senior discount, and thought that Disneyland was by far more fun than SFMM. Why? It was clean, the only rides that were down were actually being worked on in prep for the 50th anniversary, and there were only 2 major rides down all day, unlike SFMM, where Flashback (yeah, it still does count, they count it as being there, I count it in the down that day cat.), the Skytower, the Metro, Ninja for part of the day, and all the others rollergator mentioned. Granted, Deja Vu was down for maintainence, which I knew going in, but everything else was closed? C'mon.

In one visit to Cedar Point, I rode 14 out of 16 coasters. I missed Jr. Gemini because I didn't steal a kid, and I missed Wildcat because of terrible operations on Mantis and the longest line all day, surpassing the 2 1/2 hours for Millie, a much better ride. That was during a busy day in August.

I went to SFMM on a Saturday in March, that was kinda busy, but not bad, with 2 hours of ERT, and only got 11 out of 16 coasters. Couldn't ride Flashback. Couldn't ride Deja Vu. Couldn't ride, Ninja. Waited in line for Colossus and Scream so long (over an hour each), that I didn't get the kiddie that I coulda rode, and didn't try for the one I couldn't ride by myself.

Some of the responses in this thread are so knee-jerk and over-dramatic it's laughable. Some idiots who don't know how to act got in a fight, got kicked out(probably for life), and the park closed early to protect the other guests and defuse the situation. You know what? shiiit happens. There's proof right here in this thread that immaturity comes in all shapes, sizes and places.

Bottom line, I'm glad the park has metal detectors and defuse the situation by closing early. I've seen this stuff at almost every park I've been to now and then. It's not exclusively a SF problem by a long shot. You can't govern behavior, nor can you price it out. Thugs can just as easily wait outside the gate for you to come out.

I'm just hope every park is prepared to deal with idiots like this, and protect their guests the best way they can. That's all I ask. *** Edited 5/25/2005 5:15:40 AM UTC by DWeaver***

I find it hard to believe I would have more fun at Disneyland (even with the plethera of freindly old people and homosexuals) than a poorly run Magic Mountain.

You can see well-off people after almost every NCAA National Championship (football or basketball), although that is mainly alcohol induced.

Everyone get out your whizzonators. . .