B&M must think this is funny.
It all boils down to opininion. I personally love B&M, Intamin, CCI, giavanola, and setpoint (we might see a new 4 D coaster from them). All coaster companies besides togo rock.
Millennium Force
Xcellerator
Hypersonic XLC
Stealth
Superman Ultimate Escape (V2 etc.)
Perilous Plunge
X
Acrophobia
Sure some of these rides have had downtime. But, when I watched Hypersonic XLC (for some reason closed, but testing with human beings) last night, that was still a scary ride. And that's what brings the crowds in. I will still ride any B&M in a park, and I especially loved Superman Krypton Coaster recently, but B&M for the most part is making a very safe family ride. And that's ok.
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If coasters are your life, than maybe you need to re-examine your life.
You know, you should really stand by the exit of a B&M and then you should stand by the exit of an Intamin. You will see the same thing coming out, and that is smiles. The GP doesnt care who B&M are or who Intamin are, they just care about having fun. For petes sake, just have fun. Thats what this hobby is all about. These are useless debates, im never gonna convince you that B&M are the best and your never gonna convince me that company X is the best
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Its not THE Shivering Timbers, its just Shivering Timbers. And its pronounced Michigan's Adventure.
*** This post was edited by B&M_Lover on 6/29/2002. ***
Exactly - what pleases visitors to the park will please the park (because it means more people through the gate). However, you can't blame a park for going with a reliable company because a new ride doesn't do much good if it's SBNO.
Additionally, I'm a firm believer that a park should have a good, solid collection of traditional/normal/popular coasters (a woodie, a sitdown looper, an inverted coaster, etc) before installing a bunch of new innovations.
-Nate
I don't understand why we can't have both. Which ever you decide you like, you ride. Some of us do like to ride things that 20 years ago wasn't possible, even if we have to deal with the growing pains of that technology. You can't have it both ways. Prototypes simply aren't going to run perfectly first their first couple of years, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be built. Tried and true classics aren't going to offer the variety that some of us look for, that doesn't mean that parks shouldn't invest in them. Which ever road a particular park takes, they should take it and run with it. Enthusiasts tend to be narrow minded sometimes and think that EVERYONE needs to think like them.
B&M offers something I like.
CCI offers plenty of what I like.
Intamin offer that "push the limits" attitude that I like. Ditto Arrow.
Parks buy what they feel best suits their demographics. They obviously all do things slightly differently, thank God!
B&M don't have time to sit around laughing at anything, they just continue offering what works for parks.
I really don't see what the big deal is...
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"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?
Charles, your ferriswheel rollercoaster did not have the ability to bank(side to side motion) giving it only 3 deminsions of moition.
Anton Schwarzkopf only constructed about 20% of his Flying coaster before Busch Gardens Old Country dropped the project and went with Arrow. Now, I think you're talking about Alpenflung? You're right about that one.
I wouldn't argue about innovation because not all companies soley developed their ride concepts. I can start taking claims from Vekoma and Senyo and saying they belong to Sanei or take claims from B&M and Intiman and say they are Giovanola. This subject can get a lot more confusing than you think so unless you're want to go into detail then it's not even worth discussing.
B&M? Not innovative? Articulated train anyone?
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Why do they report power outages on TV?
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800,000 years in 7 seconds: Time Machine the movie or next S&S creation?
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.:| Brandon Rodriguez |:.
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Xcelerator had problems with the consistency of the hydraulic launch. It was closed for about 4 days... It could have stayed open, but by closing it for a few days, Knotts made a move that would ensure the reliability in the future.
Thank you to B&M Lover here for adding some much needed common sense to this debate.
B&M_Lover said:
They are learning off of the mistakes of rushing a project like Arrow, Intamin and Vekoma were all forced to do.
Well, sooner or later, Six Flags is gonna live to regret forcing all these great companies into bankruptcy......mark my words....Vekoma got bashed for the GIBs, Arrow for X, Giovanola is now gone.....
I know there are reasons (for the bankruptcies) other than their involvement with Six Flags, but I really believe the shift in the balance of power (to the single consumer, SF) is going to have a long-term negative impact on the whole industry....
This debate hasn't gotten funny. Most of us here are in agreement, but there are one or two indiviuals who have nothing better to do than to keep adding fuel to the fire. The GP doesn't care who Vekoma, Intamin, B&M, or CCI is. They also don't realize that Six Flags has forced Vekoma and Arrow into bankrupticy. B&M Lover made a great point. Wait at the exit line and see the smiling folks. That's what it boils down too. BrandonR, how many coasters have you rode? 2, 3 maybe. B&M has some very forceful rides. Jump into the back seat of Wildfire sometime. You will NEVER say that again. B&M does NOT find this funny. Look at the coaster world. They work off of one another. Arrow created the looping coaster, another company added to it. Then another company took there ideals and made them bigger and badder. When a coaster company fails no one wins. Because Vekoma made me famous for its headbangers, but they are cheaper than an Intamin, or a B&M coaster. A million dollars is a lot of money to some parks (Look at Visionland).
We all get our opinions, and this started off as a flamer post, but it has turned into a great discussion on coaster innovations. So lets stop the hate, and get to the midway!
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lets get this straight people....
what is the most inovative thing B&M has done???
the only reason alot of these rides are down for the other companies, is because they are so complex. if im not mistaken, incredible hulk has had rollbacks, and both air and S:UF both had their share of troubles in their first couple weeks.
i dont see very many B&M launch coasters, and i dont see anything that B&M has built that was something that a different company hasnt really dont already.
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Two quick things to comment on:
1. Giovanola is *not* (repeat NOT) out of business.
2. SUF ran three trains exactly five days after it opened. Vekoma has never run three trains on their flyers to this date (with general public occupying the seats). I'm thinking there's more than just coincidence there.
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It tastes like burning.
nitro230ft said:Also, If you look at B&M's history, they never really venture in the field of NEW coasters ideas. They went from: Sit down to Stand up to Inverted to Veritcal to Floorless.
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Actually they went from Stand Up to sit down. And B&M have been semi innovative, it's not like everyday coaster designers get up and go Hey lets build a 400 foot tall inverted stand up coaster with retractable cup holders. Every company makes suddle changes to the basic track to make new types of rides, that is a innovation!
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Hmm, 2003 at SFGAm look it's a Bird It's A plane It's S**** M**
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