B&M: NEW LAYOUT??

Friday, March 14, 2003 8:03 AM
Both of you, go to the S&S site, look at Screaming Squirrel...THAT is what CaYA meant...;)
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Friday, March 14, 2003 8:27 AM
Ah...the old "when will someone design an inverted loop?" question. That pops up about once a year, usually asked by someone who understand the physics and dangers involved.

To Come as You are: Frankly given the high amount of negative Gs riders would experience and the danger of a train valleying in an upside-down position I highly doubt we'll ever see a "frontflip loop." The 180* dive on Screaming Squirrel is a completely different element but about as close are you're going to come...assuming one actually is built, which I also highly doubt.

Moosh

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Friday, March 14, 2003 9:13 AM
Well B&M did recently add the Pretzel Loop to their lineup. But I guess that doesn't count because it's *just* a flying coaster. ;)

B&M come up with new and creative elements all the time, but they're so good, we hardly even notice anymore. It seems like we don't recognize innovation anymore unless there's some danger of it *not* working.

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Friday, March 14, 2003 9:30 AM
DW, the pretzel loop is not what he's talking about.

Imagine a standard loop flipped so the top of the loop is the low point and the entry and exit points are above it. Now imagine the trains travelling on the outside of the loop so you dive forward and are upside-down at the bottom. That's what I believe he was asking about, and that's what I was referring to when I spoke about G forces and the dangers of the train stalling upside-down.

Moosh


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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 3/14/2003 2:31:14 PM ***

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Friday, March 14, 2003 9:37 AM
Oh I know, I was really responding to his statement that B&M need to come up with something new. Well they do, but it obviously isn't radical or frequent enough for some of us.

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*** This post was edited by DWeaver 3/14/2003 2:40:11 PM ***

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Friday, March 14, 2003 9:51 AM
Ah...sorry for the confusion. Not sure why he's singling out B&M, tho. Other than maybe Arrow's [4-D] and S&S [Screaming Squirrel] what company *has* come up with a new inversion recently?

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:09 PM
One thing that woudl be faily easy and unique to implement woudl be a dive loop/immelman combo.

This seems so simple I really wonder why no one has used it yet.

Go up half twist into a half loop followed by another half loop half twist. Just seems odd no one has done this.

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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 3/14/2003 5:11:33 PM ***

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:27 PM
Sort of pretzel loop for sit down coasters...sounds cool to me, Brent ;)

I have one I do in RCT a lot using the large half loops available in the B&M-style coasters. I call it the "Kidney Loop." See if you can follow this:

Immelman, half cork, half-twist, dive loop. The result is that trains leave the inversion turned 90* from the entry.

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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 3/14/2003 5:31:13 PM ***

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:32 PM
Isn't RCT great for visualizing things like this? I don't think either Idea is to far out of the realm of possibility.

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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce 3/14/2003 5:33:46 PM ***

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:38 PM
Totally, Brent. I'll have to email you one of my parks someday...when I finally finish one.

I have this great feature where B&M-style looper track comes out of a high wall , does a "Batwing" style inversion over a lake, and goes back into the wall. The tunnels are 1 "square" apart and so I make that portion of the wall a waterfall. Peeps walking by come out the trees and onto a bridge over the lake where the double inversion comes into view. They can stand and watch trains appear and disapper.

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:39 PM
IF I get what you are saying, isn't that similar to Moonsault scramble's Pretzel inversion. I think Gouderix has something similar also.

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:48 PM
No not at all Antuan. Take S:UF's pretzel but a sitdown model. Put a half twist entering and exiting the loop. Its all in a straight line.

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:54 PM
Gotcha. Sounds really cool. :)

Something tells me Moosh may be digging up this thread in a year or so, to remind us it was *his* idea first. ;)

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Friday, March 14, 2003 12:54 PM
Which one of us, Antuan?

Moonsault's double inversion results in trains exiting the inversion 180* from the direction they entered, like a Batwing, Boomerang, or Cobra Roll. Brent's idea above [at 5:09:44] is linear...entry and exit are in the same direction like a Pretzel Loop, Sea Serpent, or Arrow Bowtie. My "Kidney Loop" above results in a direction change of 90*, like half a boomerang would, except that in the Kidney Loop you get inverted twice.

Hope that helps.

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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 3/14/2003 5:57:28 PM ***

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Friday, March 14, 2003 1:20 PM
Kidney Loop? C'mon Moosh, divulging *personal information* is one thing, but do we really need to discuss internal organs...THAT'S the kind of stuff that really should remain "hidden", isn't it...;) If you can come up with a *significantly* more...appetizing moniker for this sucker, then it'd be easier to...swallow, er..stomach...it's ALL in the marketing....;)

bill, NOT a fan of organ meats...

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Friday, March 14, 2003 1:26 PM
I could call it a Gator Loop...but that would just sound gay ;)

Moosh - I guess it also resembles a heart...what about Heart Loop?

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Friday, March 14, 2003 1:31 PM
Still "organ meat"....how about *The Moosh Mosh*....wait, is that still "too gay"....nah, just the right amount....;)
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Friday, March 14, 2003 1:59 PM
Gator - if you have RCT try building one and coming up with a name...I'm open to ideas ;)

Moosh - just the right amount of gay, too

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Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:17 PM
MAMOOSH

That is cool, because everyone has their own opinion. I respect your decision as a coaster enthusiast. All in all, a great debate in this Forum

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