B&M: NEW LAYOUT??

Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:30 PM
I am probably going to get blasted for saying this, so before you read any further, let me just say that I don't dislike B&M in any way, in fact, they are my favorite designer.

Who else besides me feels that they need a different layout for their looping coasters (Sitdown or Floorless)? it is always:loop, dive loop, camelback, cobra roll, brake run, small loop, flatspin or interlocking flat spin.

I still will ride all new B&M coasters, but I think they need more freeform designs. the Hulk is one of my favorite inversion coasters, and even though they have the same elements as previously listed, it is in a totally different layout that is superb.


I also think the world needs another B&M Hyper twister-there is only one in existence, the rest are all out and backs.(not dissing any out and backs, I haven't ridden Nitro, Apollo's Chariot, or Silverstar). I just feel that twisters are more thrilling than out and backs*

*based on wooden coaster experiences.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:35 PM
It's not B&M's choice, it is the parks choice. If they want a custom designed ride, B&M will give them one. If a park wants a cloned design, then that is waht B&M will make.
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:47 PM
New layouts cost more money. If a park can get a fantastic ride for a lower price, or an equally fantastic ride that is slightly different for a higher price, they'll go with the lower priced option every time.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:49 PM
If it's broken, fix it. If not, don't. The layout is great in my opinion, and each coaster still feels different to me. Like I said, if it's not broken, don't change it.

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*** This post was edited by MarimbaGuy87 3/5/2003 5:49:49 PM ***

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:09 PM
Yeah, but a new layout would be a nice change. I agree with Turbo. The looping B&Ms need to change to remain interesting. One of my favorites is the Georgia Scorcher, which has a totally original layout and is not just one loop after another. I have no desire to get to Magic Mountain and ride Scream. Just does'nt appeal to me.
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:14 PM
I think this is why I love B:KF so much.It's not just inversions.

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Da Poodle

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:23 PM
Knight Flight is a great ride. It just goes to show that B&M can design unique rides, and they're just as good, and even better than most other rides. B:KF alone is bringing me back to WoA this year. I've never come across a looper with a better fisrt drop... :)
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:28 PM
Batman Knight Flight is my least favorite floorless. I find it rather dull and it's missing my favorite element, the Zero-G roll - aka the "Kumbathingy"

But as others have said the parks get what they ask for.

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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 3/5/2003 7:18:59 PM ***

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:29 PM
I do agree that B&M does need another "sequence" of inversions on a lot of thir coasters, like incredible hulk, which was IMO amazing. However I absolutley love kumba and their other rides with the same "sequence" of inversions! It will be interesting to see what they come up with in the future!
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:39 PM
Man! You got me all excited. Just from the title I thought they HAD made one. :(

Charlie Weingartner - bummed

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:43 PM
Well, I'd say BKF is the odd man out among beemers because the park wanted a major looper, but really didn't have any room. Interesting however, are the three Alton Towers beemers, which have very tight height regulations, but are nonetheless, not your "run of the mill" seven inversion coaster.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:16 PM
On the topic of B&M's, I have ridden a B&M hyper and inverted, but what I am curious is, where is there a "regular" B&M sitdown looper?

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Rob


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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:17 PM
Alf - Kumba, Dragon Kahn, and Wildfire are both regular sit-down loopers.

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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 3/5/2003 7:19:34 PM ***

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:19 PM
Actually I like out and back better than twisters in general although there may be exception to the rule. Raging Bull is a good ride but I've head it ws toned down since I rode it. I've also seen good reports about Apollo Chariot and Nitro but almost none at Europa (Over family friendly and antithrill) Europa park and their airtimeless Silver Star. I hope Silverback @ BGT (Rumor named for a B&M hyper rumored for 2004) would be like Nitro or AC.
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:19 PM

BullGuy said:
Knight Flight is a great ride. It just goes to show that B&M can design unique rides, and they're just as good, and even better than most other rides. B:KF alone is bringing me back to WoA this year. I've never come across a looper with a better fisrt drop... :)
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Never Has Gravity Been So Uplifting.

You should ride Wildfire. Best first drop on a looping coaster. Ever.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:22 PM
If you want a change of inversions, try Superman Krypton Coaster at Fiesta Texas. The turnaround on the cliff after the vertical loop really throws you for a loop, no pun intended. Of course, the zero-g roll follows afterwards. ALF, the two B&M sitdowns in America are Wildfire @ Silver Dollar City and Kumba @ Bush Gardens Tampa.
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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:51 PM
Im probably gonna take some heat for this, but it is my opinion.

I would say the only normal sitdown in the U.S. is Kumba. It has the typical B&M inversion order, and is pretty much by the B&M book. Everything one right after another. Wildfire IMO is different, due to the "Floorless with a floor" style trains and the dive loop before the loop being pretty different from most other B&M sitdowns.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:53 PM
B&M has plenty of different designs. Riddler, Batman: Knight Flight, Wildfire, Batman: The Dark Night, Superman: KC, Chang, Mantis, Dragon Khan, the list goes on.

I happen to LOVE the socalled standard flow of elements. Medusa West is perfect as is.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 3:16 PM
Wildfire has a straight drop correct? I dont think much can beat the twisting steep lateral air you get on B:KF

The Overbank turn is great, it has at least 4 spots of major airtime and the helix is great. The lack of the Zero G doesn't bug me at all as I found Medusa's rather lackluster. Of course this was after a mornign of riding Chiller about 20 times so all Zero G's pale in comparison to going backwards through Chiller's Zero G.

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Da Poodle

Coming in 2003-The Spawn Of Magnum!

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Wednesday, March 5, 2003 5:45 PM
I would like to hear from someone that has ridden both Wildfire and B:KF and see which drop they prefer.
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