Beast POV with new brakes

Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:33 AM

Jeff - my comment wasn't directed at you, although I can see how it looks that way. My bad. I was just teasing Jeremy for something he said about me in another thread [of which I did not take offense]. Everyone has people they prefer to be around...its no big deal.

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:02 AM

I think it's interesting that this conversation occured due to a Beast POV. There are times when there is a news item posted about a new POV video at some site, and this conversation doesn't happen.

Just an observation.

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:41 AM
Well we ARE talking about PKI here, king of the 3 page threads. ;)
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Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:08 PM
Yeah...Hi. I am a proud member of the Beast Crew and a good employee of PKI. To all you guys who think you are special just cause you've ridden the ride a bazillion times and think you can take pictures: I have now made it my personal goal for the season to catch you taking pictures while on the ride. This act is not only dangerous for yourself, but more so for the people around you. You are in no way any more special than the guy/girl standing next to you, and to think you are is the most self centered thing I've heard in a long time. When I do catch you, I will have you escorted out of the park. I also hope that they take your film and burn it. So next time you feel like takin some pictures on the ride, watch out because I am on the prowl...

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I'm watching you...

*** This post was edited by fallspace on 4/18/2002. ***

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:08 PM

Jeff,

I can relate. Out of all the people I get to hang out with at parks, there are a few people I do try to avoid anytime I see them. Anytime folks go to a park and just complain about everything and want to hang out with me while complaning, I simply just ditch 'em. It's a very simple tactic and works!

Do I think I am better than those folks?

Nope, I really don't go by that way of thinking and honestly don't see the point in it.

Do I know what my limits are for tollerating crap?

Darn right I do and I won't hesitate to leave someone mid-sentence if they are being an enthusiass. I think everyone has limits. I just act upon mine when the timer goes off. =:^)

-Sean

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:34 PM

fallspace said:
Yeah...Hi.


Now don't go stealing peoples words.

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:36 PM
actually fof --- that originated at beast --- so yeah hi --- courtesy of marty ;)
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Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:42 PM

Fallspace,

With all due respect....

I don't think threats are the best way to prod people into following the safety rules on Beast.

Sure, it is your job to make sure people are safe and following rules. That indeed involves watching for potential safety hazzards such as picture taking on the ride. However, you are also employed to help make sure people are having a good time.

In PKI's eyes a requirement of having a good time does not include ignoring safety rules. However, people don't necessarily do so menacingly, as demonstrated in this thread. They do not do it to specifically rebel, or put others in harm's way. They do so simply because they think they are in control enough to take the picture for themselves, irregardless of what could potentially happen.

It is not an arrogant attempt at making anyone angry. However your reaction, IMO, has the potential of challenging folks to do so to see if they can indeed get away with it. Not a smart move.

I am sure you are aware there is much more to being on the Beast crew than focusing on finding what would amount to a very small amount of people ignoring the rules.

I would recommend trying to point out to people prior to riding what safety hazards their loose articles can become rather than waiting for them to ride just so you can catch them.

My goal in my earlier replies was to exemplify what can and does happen. Hopefully it caused, or will cause, readers to think twice next time and chose to ride safe.

A motto I always keep in mind came in handy many times while I was on the Beast crew:

Be proactive rather than reactive.

That way you avoid confrontation resulting in someone being kicked out or having security called on them. No one wants to deal with that, especially you. You will soon learn what a hassle it can be when you become involved in security related issues at PKI.

Shaggy

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:49 PM

Beast Boy 2002 said:
actually fof --- that originated at beast --- so yeah hi --- courtesy of marty

True I know where Yeah..Hi originated, thanks to Marty, just about the whole park nows yeah hi...Remember Marty was on FoF too...

*** This post was edited by FoF on 4/18/2002. ***

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:13 PM

I am with Sean and Jeff here. I don't have many friends in the enhusiast community. For me this is because I would rather spend a day at a park with my girlfriend or friends that I am usually introducing to new rides. The enthusiast friends I have are not anyone I talk to often or plan on spending a whole day at the park with. I will talk to them occassionally online or I will grab a ride or 2 with them. I try not to make many posts on forums because I dont really want to be known. I enjoy reading posts and if I need help I know where to find it.

I know some enthusiasts cross the line in many instances. Some think they deserve special treatment etc When reading TR's I often only see negative comments. It seems that they get enjoyment from going to a park and then finding everything wrong with it. I have had problems at parks before but they are in no way close to the numbr of good times I have had at parks. I will often skip through posts and looks for names that I recognize and enjoy reading.

The way I look at it is there is always going to be someone who doesn't argee with you. There will always be someone who is not happy or satisfied. But when they don't try to make the best out of a situation and can only bring up the bad things etc, then they deserve to be unhappy.

I myself feel the GP and the enthusiast community are the same. Some parks go out of their way to do so much for us. I recall at Coastermania about people complaining about the lines etc Well they must be doing something right to get that many people there. If I recall correctly someone in front of me was complaining that they had a garbage can directly in the queue "line". It must have been a big deal for him to step around it.

Well I'm done rambling. To all of my enthusiast friends that read this, I look forward to taking some rides and chatting with you guys this year.

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MF count: 162

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Friday, April 19, 2002 5:19 AM

I agree... taking "virgins" on rides is almost always more fun than riding with an enthusiast. Many good times!


fallspace said:
I have now made it my personal goal for the season to catch you taking pictures while on the ride. When I do catch you, I will have you escorted out of the park. I also hope that they take your film and burn it.


Are you completely brain dead? You do realize that your employers read this stuff, don't you? I agree that on-ride photos shouldn't be taken, but you represent the park, and right now you're doing a piss poor job at it.

A Millennium Force ride op in 2000 thought it would be cute to threaten to staple people in a forum, and then did so. The next week he was working a flat ride.

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"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

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Friday, April 19, 2002 5:30 AM

FoF said:

True I know where Yeah..Hi originated, thanks to Marty, just about the whole park nows yeah hi...Remember Marty was on FoF too...*** This post was edited by FoF on 4/18/2002. ***"


It's from Office Space, you guys didn't make it up, for real.

One of my least favorite things is when seasonal employees think they know everything about a park and have full liberty and authority to post and threaten and be generally stupid to people who will be (a lot of the times FREQUENT) paying guests at their park and on their ride.

Seasonals: Yes, you're an important part of the park and a representative of it, even, but that's even all the more reason to WATCH WHAT YOU SAY on an Internet forum. The Internet is public, as are these forums.

-Natalie
Flame on, brotha.

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Friday, April 19, 2002 5:35 AM
...and of course Natalie forgot to add, "...and you're not as anonymous as you think."

As some people have learned the hard way.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Friday, April 19, 2002 5:54 AM
Yeah Hi, Its Bill Lumberg, just aaa wondering where you are. Thaaaanks.

Sorry, couldnt resist. :)

I dont take onrides...pretty much becuase I'm to afraid that I'll get caught, which is a good thing I guess. Don't get me wrong though, I know plenty of people who do and I have no problem with that, because they sit in the back seat. If your going to let go of your camera, be in the back seat, at least nobody but yourself will get hurt that way.

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Friday, April 19, 2002 6:38 AM
First of all Jeff, fallspace is not brain dead. Second of all, he/she didn't threaten to staple a guest while waiting in line -- nor did he/she threaten to do anything as nearly insane as that. Fallspace was simply threatening to do his/her job better than he/she was before. As for doing a piss-poor job of representing the park ... well, it's fallspace's personal goal, so ... he/she is not going to stand by and let you take pictures/movies just so you or whomever can have a "good time" or have bragging rights. Call me crazy, but I think someone who wants to do his/her job better is doing the institution he/she works for justice. Then again ... that's just me ...

*** This post was edited by scort01 on 4/19/2002. ***

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Friday, April 19, 2002 7:05 AM

Scort01,

No one is challenging fallspace's work ethic. What I challenged was his tone. Threats draw more retaliation than they do understanding.

There's a lovely little place at PKI where it is much better taught than I can explain. It is called PKIU sesnitivity training and all employees must undergo it. Perhaps there needs to be a refresher course of the fish video, if they still use it.

Shaggy

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Shaggy
A.K.A. John K.

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Friday, April 19, 2002 7:33 AM

Shaggy said: I have NEVER seen personal cameras or recorders allowed on a ride at PKI outside of media events.

ummm, if thats the case, then I'd say the ride ops were'nt fullfilling their job responsibilities. I have a very old and somewhat large Canon camera I carry around with a shoulder strap and use at parks and not once has any ride op said I could not take it on a ride with me. Infact, I've taken it on every coaster at Kings Island with the exception of Face/Off. If part of their job responsibilities are monitoring the guests in station, or monitoring a train on the brake run, or monitoring the ride ops, or taking capacity, or making no smoking spheels, or making riding procedure spheels, or monitoring kids in the kiddie corral, or reporting speeds to maintenance, or reporting concerns and or information to home base, then part of their job should be informing guests that cameras are not allowed on rides.

You get the idea?......You're Fired!

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Friday, April 19, 2002 7:41 AM

Memphomaniac,

You forgot to mention the part where you ignored all the signage that asked you to secure all loose articles and picture taking was not permitted, as well as the rules and regulations posted at each ride and listed in the park map. By the way, the automated spheels on Adventure Express, Top Gun and Son of Beast specifically mention loose articles... that includes cameras.

Shaggy

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A.K.A. John K.

*** This post was edited by Shaggy on 4/19/2002. ***

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Friday, April 19, 2002 7:56 AM

Nope, really I didnt ignore anything, my camera was secured with a strap over my shoulder and under my right arm and I didnt take any pictures while riding, and I might add that I'm not one of those coaster riders that holds their arms up while riding.The only park I've been to where a ride op said I couldnt take my camera on the coaster was sfot (Titan) and I had no problem leaving it in the storage bins in the station.

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Friday, April 19, 2002 8:00 AM

Oh, and forgot......he told me this while standing in line in the station, before even gettin on the coaster.

damn good worker there!......2 Thumbs Up!! ;-)

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According to the Smithsonian Institution, "in the quest to identify the
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