Already August- New Ride Announcements?
Jeff said:
If SF doesn't put the hyper at SFWoA they might as well not open next season, considering what the competition will have.
You don't learn too fast do you? Every time this comment appears, within 15 posts theres a "Jeff said: I shouldn't have opened by big mouth" :)
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chris said:
1) Mamoosh is a sick-o, and 2) you guys are missing all the good stuff.
1) I know....2) I know......but why can't I seem to get "the good stuff"? Must be something to do with this zero-tolerance policy......Zero-tolerance, for the uninitiated, just means you get *messed up* a whole lot easier....."cheap-date syndrome"....;)
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chris - you enjoyed the email, so you're just as sick-o as me [and I mean that as a compliment] ;-)
Gator - check yer email!
Moosh
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Goodbye Whizzer, dear friend. You set me rolling many years ago into this fun hobby...
RIP Whizzer: 1976 - 2002
those are "extra-happy" happy pills 'Moosh, and yes, discretion is the better part of something-or-other....
....if you were in chare at PGA, the new ride would be sick-o-mouse instead of Psycho-Mouse.....and that is high praise from someone as twisted as myself....
redman, he just didn't want Paula to have to "bust him up"...
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redman - I was tempted to cut in and dance w/ Mick as a joke, but then as I walked up and saw how huge his arms were I opted to just grab Pat and not try to be funny for once.
'Gator - if I were in charge of PGA, there would me a ton of stuff I'd change before Psycho Mouse to Sick-o-Mouse. But thanks for the compliment ;-)
What was the topic of this thread again...?
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Back on-topic....
Chris Godsey said:
Not only has attendance increased, but per cap spending shot through the roof!
Per cap spending is what drives the revenue in amusement parks. With season passes on the rise, parks dont make money on the gate receipts. Usually the gate helps pay the overhead. But the per cap spending is what chains like SF use to determine if rides get put in certain parks. Remember, a family of 4 going to SFSTL to check out scooby is gonna spend LOTS of money to eat, stay cool, and have fun. Everybody wins from those rides becoming successful. I would be anything that PKI follows up Scooby with a coaster in 2004. So, thsnk you Sally Corp!
Exactly. Net revenues increase as attendance increases because operating expenses are relatively fixed during the operating season. Therefore, the fixed costs per visitor decrease as attendance increases. It's all about getting the folks through the gate. Once inside, they'll spend. Except for season pass holders who will do everything possible to avoid spending "more" money at the park. And don't underestimate the importance of these ratios in any investment decisions made by a company - amusement park or otherwise.
As a frame of reference, 54% of SF revenue is generated through admissions, the other 46% from food, merch, games and other attractions. Season pass holders account for about 28% of admissions and group sales and pre-sold tickets account for another 34.5%. If you throw in discounted walk-up admissions (pop cans, etc.), it looks like only a small percentage pay the regular, full-price admission.
Considering that the topic of this thread is actually New Ride Announcements, I guess I didn't really do a very good job of bringing it back.....
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Yeah, Cedar Point is doing everything in its power to be THE thrill park destination in the midwest if not the country. And after next year, they will be putting a "huge" hurt on the competition ;)
And an announcement should happen in Sept sometime... I would expect it early in the month... They could also be waiting to announce during the IAAPA summer meeting in Sept 12th-14th. What a way to announce with all of the who's who of the amusement world present!
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"Ah, another greedy enthusiast only looking for coasters. Not looking at the big picture that parks focus on everyone, including families. The Scooby Doo Dark Ride is the perfect family ride since both kids and adults and enjoy it. Well, you got the right idea, if you dont like what they build, then dont go to the park, wish more people who complained figured that out. Its about time to see parks focusing more on family attractions and rides for all instead of thrill rides. Not everyone is into thrills. "
Holy cow, I cannot believe what I just read. This is quite funny.
"Its about time to see parks focusing more on family attractions and rides for all"
What sense does that make? You just proved that the parks are getting more and more greedy for money. By putting in a little kiddy ride, that cost vary little, it draws in families. Families bring in money. Where as putting in a super thrill ride for ages 10-100, that cost a lot of moey, you get less money because you are pleasing a select few instead of a group or family. The enthusiast are not the ones getting greedy. They are simply getting irritated. They go out of their way to earn 100 dollars so they can enjoy a summer of fun at a theme park. But whats to enjoy when there are no adult/teen rides to well.....ride. The little guy does count and in this case the little guy isn't the child. It is the irritated teenager that wants a decent roller coaster at his local theme park that many people think is so "Godly" when in reality it isn't!
pkifanatic: Parks aren't charities for enthusiasts. Enthusiasts are a very small percentage of their yearly attendance. Would you rather earn less money from concentrating on the enthusiasts than the families which bring in more profits. Didn't think so. And if PKI did concentrate 100% on coaster enthusiasts, they probably would go out of business because a majority of their guests wouldn't visit simply because the kids wouldn't be able to do anything in particular. Therefore, no coasters at all. I'd take the other route. It's all business, not exactly greediness. Their purpose is to earn money.
Will Johansson
pkifanatic says:
"The enthusiast are not the ones getting greedy. They are simply getting irritated. They go out of their way to earn 100 dollars so they can enjoy a summer of fun at a theme park. But whats to enjoy when there are no adult/teen rides to well.....ride."
No adult/teen rides? None? Zilch? What park are you referring to, please? Certainly not PKI, and certainly not any park I can think of except perhaps maybe Idlewild [and as an adult I found plenty of thrills at Idlewild].
You don't sound greedy, but you certainly sound like a spoiled enthusi-ass.
Matthew "call it like I see it" Sullivan
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"Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book. Inside of a dog its too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
pkifanatic: Spending money to install a family attraction with a huge ROI is what allows parks to build the very expensive thrill rides you want. It might be a huge generalization (no, I don't have the marketing data to back it up) but I'll put it out there...families spend, teens ride. Seems to me you benefit significantly from the dollars spent by families.
"pkifanatic: Parks aren't charities for enthusiasts. Enthusiasts are a very small percentage of their yearly attendance. Would you rather earn less money from concentrating on the enthusiasts than the families which bring in more profits. Didn't think so. And if PKI did concentrate 100% on coaster enthusiasts, they probably would go out of business because a majority of their guests wouldn't visit simply because the kids wouldn't be able to do anything in particular. Therefore, no coasters at all. I'd take the other route. It's all business, not exactly greediness. Their purpose is to earn money."
See! Point proven! Money, money, money, and more money. That is all you people think about. Profit. PKI wouldn't go out of business because 100% of their rides are for coaster enthusiasts. Look at Ceder Point. Are they out of business? No. Do they have losts of enthusastic rides? Yes. I know what comes next..."Yeah, but King's Island gets more attendance." Yeah, if you look at a biased attendance chart. King's Island has a great kid section going for them. They need nothing new for the kiddies. If they did then they wouldn't have won the Golden Ticket Award. Add a coaster and get it done with. That is all I ask. One simple coaster. Heck put in something like Millinium Force. A none looper. That will get people to ride it.
"You don't sound greedy, but you certainly sound like a spoiled enthusi-ass."
Oh yeah, your stright. Thank you for calling me an ass because I support my opinions and beliefs. Gee I thought we lived in America. The only ass here is you. Instead of Mamoosh you should try DaDoosh
pkifanatic - Don't give him any ideas! We already know he's a sick-o.
Oh, I'm really biting my tongue on this one. :)
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pkifanatic: Okay, then, you've had zero or horrible business education. Try living without any money, sure it's possible, but is it feasible?
Edit: Oh, I forgot. Cedar Point isn't all about enthusiasts. They have a lot of rides for the families. Hell, a whole family can go without riding a roller coaster, and if many families do that, the ROI on a coaster wouldn't match the ROI on family rides.
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pkifanatic: So basically you are saying that PKI doesn't have any good coasters? Or no rides for thrill seekers? A coaster wouldn't make a difference in winning a Golden Ticket Award or not. Where in the hell do you come up with that? You should be glad the park does build something new. Go someplace where they haven't had anything new for a while and see how you feel then. But like I said, if you dont like what the park is doin, then dont visit the park. But yep, spoiled seems the right word to me. If its not what you want, then its not what anyone wants. Way wrong attitude there. And I like the fact that you pick a sample like Millenium Force, gee, we aren't asking for too much now are we.
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