PKI 2009

So if companies have to file these blueprints, why was it that no one found any on Maverick 2 years ago. They have to file such detailed blueprints with the city this early? I would think there would be regulations protecting companies on things they want to keep a lid shut on before an announcement.

Each county has different mandates as to what is required to grant construction variances and permits.

Just because Kings Island has to submit these detailed drawings, doesn't mean every park does. Even so, these ones just happened to get into the wrong hands. Some counties do have protections in place as to "corporate privacy" as to what they build, I'm guessing they don't.

Interesting. Still, there are many details yet to be revealed, like height, speed, color, theme, etc...

Can't wait!

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Rctycoon2k said:

Each county has different mandates as to what is required to grant construction variances and permits.

Just because Kings Island has to submit these detailed drawings, doesn't mean every park does. Even so, these ones just happened to get into the wrong hands. Some counties do have protections in place as to "corporate privacy" as to what they build, I'm guessing they don't.

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They didn't get into the wrong hands. In most counties/cities, they are free and public to anyone who asks for them. Thus, a determined reporter looking to dig something up on the new ride, just had to go into the office and request to see them and get a copy. *** Edited 7/18/2008 7:42:35 PM UTC by pyrocoasterkid***

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tigellinus said:
^^You have to admit, Moosh, that station looks a little familiar!!

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jive2 said:
^Patriot?

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Yes it does. It looks like Silver Bullet's which was copied for Patriot and now for this one as well... shoot one could even say Maverick's station as well

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pyrocoasterkid said:
They didn't get into the wrong hands. In most counties/cities, they are free and public to anyone who asks for them. Thus, a determined reporter looking to dig something up on the new ride, just had to go into the office and request to see them and get a copy.

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By "into the wrong hands" I didn't mean that it was an intra-company leak, but rather the wrong person (in this case, the Reporter) got a hold of it and made it full public knowledge.

I know that some counties allow public access to variance and permit information and submissions, but also some don't... exactly like I said.

I don't quite get the new seating on B&M's. I see here that they are going to do it again, and while pictures of Behemoth make the seats look very comfortable, why would someone want to ride half a front row? Kind of makes sense of for loading procedures so if you have a bag or shoes to drop off you don't have to run across three other people, but this just seems like it would split up groups of riders and create viewing problems. Anyone ridden Behemoth and can explain to me how this new configuration is a benefit?

I've never ridden Behemoth but I have to think that the seat design allows for a more open and free feeling. Sitting in that second row must feel like you are dangling over the edge all by yourself. If I were on say Nitro and was sitting in the front middle right seat and the ride op came up to me and said, "would you like me to remove this outside seat to allow for a more open and free riding expreience?" I would certainly reply, "please do".
I really don't see how the group thing would be an issue unless you really like having a friend on either side of you while riding. All I need next to me is my girl. *** Edited 7/19/2008 3:59:06 PM UTC by realmadrid311***

^^Bunky - I had the same opinion of the new B&M train style...until I rode Behemoth. The benefits are many but I can give you my favorite:

since each "pair" of seats has its own queue row. That means the four front seats has two, one for the middle two seats (1:1) and one for the outside two seats (1:2). At Canada's Wonderland any of the GP wanting a front row ride was waiting for queue 1:1, leaving queue row 1:2 virtually empty! A front row outside seat ride was a walk-on!

Second benefit: the length of the trains means that airtime is more pronounced in front and back rows. I'm talking major ejector air! Having ridden all the B&M hypers in the states I was shocked at the amount of airtime I was getting.

I'm a believer!

^Moosh- On the drawing the "rear" pair of seats seem so far back on the car. I'm all about edge riding, but do you still get a front seat visual experience?

I wonder if the airtime on El Toro is so great because you have the longer trains.

I'm also curious as to see if you get the viewpoint that you get on a regular train. Thoughts?

I rode Behemoth this month, and sat in the last car, right edge seat. I was astonished at the view. Going through the overbanked turn after the second hill was quite enjoyable in that seat. Somehow I was expecting that turn to be like the first turn on Raging Bull, however it is banked and twisted much more. I absolutely love the seating configuration on Behemoth and I'm sure you all will (except for some people that only like to disagree)as well. =o)

Behemoth would be just like Nitro if not for the new trains - nice floater airtime, but nothing too powerful. The amount of airtime on Behemoth is nothing short of astounding, and it is easily the best B&M I have ever been on.

Sounds like a great thing to ride Behemoth. Perhaps I will have to somehow get there. Of course, if the new seating arrangements really benefit the trains and provide better air, I will not have to travel as far as Canada to get the ride on a beautiful new B&M hyper. :)

^Moosh- On the drawing the "rear" pair of seats seem so far back on the car. I'm all about edge riding, but do you still get a front seat visual experience?

Do you get the "right-on-the-rails" view? No. But you have a mostly-unobstructed view and the feeling of "being out there." Believe me, I was a very vocal critic of the trains and seating arrangement...until I rode.

Thanks. Well, I guess I can't wait for this one now! Hopefully we'll all be climbing on the "Hot Tamale Air Time Train" come April!

I was right there with you (and others) in my criticism of those new fangled trains. Maybe we were drawing on that ghastly experience we all suffered with Deja Vu, huh? It seemed dangerously similar. I'm really glad it's working out for the Canadians, they deserved a really great ride.

Um...a SYTYCD fan? Yay! :)

Yes, I definitely hope B&M does a hyper somewhere around here that has the staggered seating so I can take a ride. I've heard good things about the trains from more than one source.

^^Trust me, it'll be quite a few more years until Dorney gets their Cedar Fair B&M hyper!! ;)

I don't think I'll be seeing a B&M coaster EVER at Dorney. I mean, why would they? They've GOT a hypercoaster already. There's going to be a million other things before there is a B&M hypercoaster. One can dream though. *sigh*

^you'll get your GCI woodie before you see another B&M at Dorney. Trust me on that one.