WW = Worst Expansion Ever

All the RCT chatboards are filled with negative comments about this game, so its just not the coaster enthusiasts that are disappointed. The RCT chatboards are frequented by the true players of the game itslef.
Do some of you know that there's a store called circuit city and they have WW for $19.99? I'll still by the game. I just wanna know do they have the sen. editor and the roller coaster designer in the game? As long as they have that, I'll be be happy. Oh and does the game have block breaks and alot of sen. in the game and if u don't really need rct2 to play the game?
with the evolution of the understand and comprehenion of the game, not to metion the hacking. Ill give it a year before people can make there own rides in rct and it is definatly possible.

BX

I think what really has most people upset is that the expansion costs $30 (same as the original game!) and yet all it includes is a bunch of objects. No new game play, no new rides, no bug fixes, no nothing. It just dumps a few meg of objects into your Objdata folder.

If the price were more appropriate, like $9.99, you'd see a lot fewer upset people. For $29.99, people expect bugs to be fixed and a few new rides or something.

Every expansion for RCT1 included new things, including new game-play changes, new rides, etc. And the new things were more or less realistic. Monkey car trains? There's just nothing realistic or "generally useful" (outside the designated pre-packaged scenreos) that these 'new' things are useful for. So why pay that much money? For 16 new sceneos? We have a scenereo editor and an object editor already. We can get much of this stuff free.

It just looks, sounds, and smells like a total rip-off.

-really well sed, i totally agree!-

Ok Please someone who has it and isn't totally pissed off give us a description of the newly themed rides I know that now we dont HAVE to build a tea cup ride with a snow man on it (perhaps this addon's one saving grace) but what of the other rides? What looks good,realistic,like crap ect
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From what I've seen in a few screens they've added crocodile boats to the log flume as well as shark boats to the water coaster.

Most of these new additions just look like crap & it just doesn't justify the $30 price tag,if they were to drop the price by more than half with the promise of a beter expansion within a year then maybe I'll consider buying it.

What about the actual new scenarios? there are now 21 new chances to create new parks based on the new park maps,so that can be considered a trade off for a lack of new rides.

Can we have some sceenshots plz to help us make are mind up plz!

Lord Gondor, I guess by your definition, then "WildCat" is a new coaster at Cedar Point this year, because they changed the look by re-painting it.

That's "new" in the same way the rides in WW are "new".

In other words, NOBODY considers them NEW RIDES except for maybe you.

A log flume is a log flume, whether the boats look like logs or like corcodiles. A tea-cups ride is a tea-cups ride, whether there's a snowman or a diamond in the center.

It's not a new ride the way the air-powered vertical coaster and the Enterprise were new rides in the previous expansions.

What it is is a rip-off. It's an attempt by Atari/Infogrames to screw a bunch of gullible people out of their money. This thing would be over-priced at $15, let alone double that.

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Anonymouse said:
Lord Gonchar, I guess by your definition, then "WildCat" is a new coaster at Cedar Point this year, because they changed the look by re-painting it.

That's "new" in the same way the rides in WW are "new".


Heh, no you could always change the color of the rides in RCT. If they added new color options and tried to call that new coasters, then I'd be right there with you...whining...loudly.

Let me throw a CP example back at you. Avalanche Run was a bobsled ride by the beach. They enclosed it, added some new theming and marketed it as a new coaster - Disaster Transport. It was technically the same ride, it just looked and felt different. It was new. That's what this add-on does.

There's a new thread where people (heck the person who started THIS thread) admit that after some time - and realizing what 50 new rides realistically means - find the game quite enjoyable. I finally got my copy and posted my thoughts on it in that thread. This will sell just fine. There is a very limited segment of the market who will be disappointed.

I'm officially done trying to reason with people who refuse to understand it was their expectations that made this a let down. There was no false advertising, the game includes everything it promised on the box and was well worth the $30 I paid for it. Rather than waste my time any longer I think I'll go enjoy this great game for a little bit - I'm really interested in some of those windblown rock formations :)


In other words, NOBODY considers them NEW RIDES except for maybe you.

Yeah, throughout history most great minds were mocked for their thoughts and ideas - until the rest of the world realized they were right ;)

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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 5/10/2003 11:56:48 PM ***

Oh I get it!! Just because a game doesn't have your wishlist automatically makes it no good?? Thanks for clarifying. I guess I should return my PS2 game, NCAA Football 2003 because it has some cheesy fight song and not the official fight song for Kent State, even though it has the official fight songs of the other MAC (Mid American Conference) teams.

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I got WW and did not listen to those who were upset by the lack of the wishlist items. None of you mentioned actually emailing Chris Sawyer or InfoGrames or anything like that about your wishlists.

You want your zero-g rolls vertically or steep 90+ degree drops...go by NoLimits or games like NL that are geared more toward the enthusiasts. Everyone else can enjoy RCT.

I have a question....Is all the six flags stuff still there?
We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think the expectations were out of line, given that every other expansion pack for RCT has had new rides and game-play changes. Not to mention patches and bug fixes rolled into it. There is no way this "expansion pack" (really just an 'objects pack') is worth the SAME PRICE as the original game. It contains no new rides (sorry, I still don't agree with you, they're just new skins on exactly the same old stuff, especially with regards to the coaster trains), and a bunch of scenery most people won't use outside the given packaged scenereos.

It's maybe worth $10. It's a rip off. You can get tons of great scenery and scenereos off the internet for free.

If the expansion pack had been anything like previous ones, which included fixes, game-play enhancement, and truly NEW rides, it might have been worth it. But it's certainly not worth $30, no way, no how.

Lord Gonchar said:


Let me throw a CP example back at you. Avalanche Run was a bobsled ride by the beach. They enclosed it, added some new theming and marketed it as a new coaster - Disaster Transport. It was technically the same ride, it just looked and felt different. It was new. That's what this add-on does.

Well, while I have said before that people shouldn't have had their expectations so high, I really do think the "new ride" line is misleading.

And Lord Gonchar, I understand your point, but I still think Infograms/Atari is wrong and is misleading people. If you went to a new theme park, and all they had were 50 scrambler or teacup rides themed 50 different ways, would you think each one was a new experience? Would you be disappointed at paying 30 bucks to get in and ride 50 rides that were essentially the same? Your comparison of Disaster Transport is not the same thing as WW. Enclosing and theming gave a completely different experience. The WW analogy is closer to being just a new color of paint then a "new" ride.
*** This post was edited by Coasterbuf 5/12/2003 3:25:46 AM ***

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Why can't I just walk away from this? :)


If the expansion pack had been anything like previous ones, which included fixes, game-play enhancement, and truly NEW rides, it might have been worth it. But it's certainly not worth $30, no way, no how.

As long as everyone understands this is one person's opinion, then more power to you. $30 is nothing for me to drop on Wacky Worlds. I thought $30 for scenery items that are heads and tail above anything I could find on the net was well worth it...certainly and positively. Plus the new rides really round out the game. Refer to my post (6th down) in this thread for an honest review of what to expect and who may be disappointed by the add-on assuming they went in with realistic expectations.

Coasterbuf, the amusement park comparison is ridiculous on every level. The only reason I referred to CP is to play on the same level as Anonymouse's CP comparison. It is not misleading, it is advertising. Advertising by nature is enticing someone to buy your product. It's not hard to understand. One of the biggest examples I can think of is automobile commercials. They show a top of the line model with all the options and proudly proclaim it can be yours for just $28,000. While doing this there is teeny tiny fine print at the bottom of the screen (that only idiots like me pay attention to) that explain that $28,000 is just a base price the model shown in the commercial runs about $35,000. When you go to the dealer expecting to get what you saw in the commercial for $7000 less, they laugh you out of the dealership quicker than anything. Hell that's being deceptive on a level that costs the consumer $7000. Suddenly $30 for a game that made even less deceptive claims seems like a steal. There was no "misleading" about it. There are 50 rides that were not available before - bottom line. If you researched you purchase on even the simplest level you could see what these "new" rides were. Many of us were discussing it as far back as 8 or 10 weeks ago. No surprises. The funniest thing is that all of those people seem to be the ones happy with the game.

I can simplify it no more than this. If it still goes over your head then we're at a dead end. This is the way the world works. Be smart and be happy.

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Coasterbuff I don't want to start an arguement with you but I just want to point out that the disney parks DO have differently themed versions of basically the same rides in their parks- Dumbo/Alladin - Pooh/Alice in Wonderland/PeterPan/Haunted Mansion/Pirates of the Carribean

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Ha! John's got a point there. :)

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Yeah John, you're right. Disney does have multiple Dumbo rides, and I hate that too! :) Although Dumbo is an awfully popular ride. It could be argued that they need multiple copies of the same ride just to keep everyone happy.

I wouldn't consider the others you mentioned clones though. Other than being dark rides, they tell different stories, so I would not consider them the same.

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LG, by your standard would you consider Kennywood's "Volcano" a new ride? It's the same Enterprise for the last 25 years, but it's definitely a different theme with lighting effects, smoke, uh, volcanoes, etc. Looks altogether different, but the ride itself is the same one.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your theory, and in general I agree with your opinions. Just pointing out that there's a real fine line to what can be considered new.

I think that if KP advertised the Volcano as a new ride, there'd be about 750,000 complaints at the park office.

I can definitely see where both sides of this debate are coming from, and I think a line was definitely crossed somewhere. Was the advertising tag about new rides misleading? Absolutely. Was it false advertising? That you'd be hard pressed to prove.

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Come on, fhqwgads!

Just to throw something positive in for WW. I just bought my copy tonight and I will say, coming from a previous sceptic, that I was impressed. Well worth the $25 I paid. Anyone who likes RCT2 at all should buy this regardless. I'm having alot of fun with the new scenarios and the boundless themeing possibilities :)

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Ok kpjb, I'll take that challenge. Stick with me here :)

1. Let me first state that I think it's totally unrealistic to compare video game advertisments with real life amusement parks, but since it's gone that direction, I guess I'll have to play if I want to stay. (note: this has nothing to do with the arguement - just saying you really can't compare realistically)

2. Wacky Worlds was advertised as having 50 new rides. I agree that they're new rides in the sense that they were not previous available in the game. It fits the textbook definition of "new" perfectly.

3. Now that we've established Infogrames chosen definition for new we must apply it to a real life park. We'll use the Enterprise/Volcano comparison since I'm taking the "kpjb challenge" ;) It is indeed a very fine line.

First off all, yes to a certain degree it IS a new ride. I know I have interest in seeing what's been done to the old Enterprise and Kennywood is advertising the entire Volcano Valley area as new for 2003, correct? Well the area isn't new at all (just one ride) - the theme is new. Well using the logic of the naysayers, then Kennywood is false advertising and when people pay their money and find that it's just a rethemed area with one new ride, they'll complain and Kennywood will be out of business by next season.

Second arguement: what if (for whatever reason, make up your own and be creative :) ) Kennywood left the Enterprise there and put their "Volcano Valley" in another section of the park. As part of this new area they want to add a themed Enterprise called Volcano. They bring in a second ride that's exactly the same as the current Enterprise but give it a volcano theme and put it in that area of the park.Now that most certainly would be a new addition to the park. But it's just like a ride that's already there, just looks different. I doubt anyone would argue that it's a new addition to the park. Well, that's exactly what WW did for RCT. It brought in new themed versions of existing rides...or as we learned in the example above (say it with me) NEW RIDES.

Of course there's no reason Kennywood (or any park) would really do that and that's my complaint about comparing the game to real life, it just wouldn't happen for the most part. But there you have it. Not one, but two arguements. One from the real life side of things and another from the game side of things.

I should've been on the debate team back in high school ;)

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