WW = Worst Expansion Ever
If the price were more appropriate, like $9.99, you'd see a lot fewer upset people. For $29.99, people expect bugs to be fixed and a few new rides or something.
Every expansion for RCT1 included new things, including new game-play changes, new rides, etc. And the new things were more or less realistic. Monkey car trains? There's just nothing realistic or "generally useful" (outside the designated pre-packaged scenreos) that these 'new' things are useful for. So why pay that much money? For 16 new sceneos? We have a scenereo editor and an object editor already. We can get much of this stuff free.
It just looks, sounds, and smells like a total rip-off.
I mean what would be the point of adding tons of new objects and still having the limit of how much scenery you can have in a scenario.
However, I bet it doesn't alter this, judging by what a failure it is on every other front.
Towards the end there is discussion about the scenery limits and why they exist.
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I'm still not going to buy this game, excuse me, "scenery package", for 30 bucks. That is a BIT much.
And have since taken it back. One bought it and warned the other before she opened it not to even bother. She at least got her money back, but my other friend is stuck. So, sorry to burst your bubble people, but there are non-enthusiasts who are really pissed off by a bunch of scenery instead of rides and coasters too. In fact, one of them mentioned that if they had even included new pre-built coasters (cause she uses those most of the time) she would have kept it, but not for a bunch of scenery.
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Here's the A#1 reason the complaining is unwarranted:
It was never presented as anything other than that.
If you really thought "50 new rides" meant new coasters and flats after seeing screenshots and reading promotional material about the game then I have a ton of stuff I'd like to sell you...and technically they are new as they were not available in the game before this add-on.
It's all about using your head.
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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 5/9/2003 2:16:51 PM ***
But yes, I agree it wasn't presented as more than that - if you read these boards religiously and knew enough from looking at the screenshots to notice that the rides weren't really different without the game telling you so. You're claim that it was never expected to be anything but is also very "enthusiass" because for someone who has no idea what coasterbuzz is, never saw a screenshot, and just likes to play the game, WW was supposed to be an "expansion" just like all the previous "expansions" which included new rides, however few there were.
If you can present me with one way that a GP walking through Best Buy that sees a new RCT box is going to figure out from the packaging and a few pictures on the box that this expansion doesn't follow the rules of previous expansions and doesn't have new rides or anything more than some new scenery, then more power to you. But until then, I feel like you are acting like the brat, not being able to admit that maybe there was misleading advertising, and maybe there should be a little more to this "expansion pack". Let people have their opinions once in a while ...
But yes, I agree it wasn't presented as more than that - if you read these boards religiously and knew enough from looking at the screenshots to notice that the rides weren't really different without the game telling you so. You're claim that it was never expected to be anything but is also very "enthusiass" because for someone who has no idea what coasterbuzz is, never saw a screenshot, and just likes to play the game, WW was supposed to be an "expansion" just like all the previous "expansions" which included new rides, however few there were.
There are new rides - 50 newly themed rides that weren't available before. More than in any other expansion for the series to date. In fact, I'd think it's the people who don't read the message boards religously and are "GP" that are probably most happy with the game. They for the most part (being GP) don't know that there's no rocket coaster or no fishook coaster. At best there's one or two rides that they enjoy at their local park that aren't included and, by the very nature of being GP, they probably really don't put much thought into it.
There are two distinct markets for this game - sim gamers and coaster enthusiats. I'd image the former makes up a signifcantly larger portion of the market, while the latter would tend to be more critical and passionate about the game. (god knows we've seen that ;) ) - The thing is it isn't the enthusiasts who made this game sell over a million copies. The right people are ok with this add-on as far as Infrogames (Atari) sees it from a business standpoint.
The real "enthusiasses" are those who nitpick over such little details that are missing from the game. Look at some of the wishlists of what enthusiats (not gamers) want from this game. 95% of it is unrealistic and no matter what gets thrown at them, they'll complain.
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Big difference in approach there.
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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 5/9/2003 2:37:08 PM ***
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And I'm not complaining about a "wishlist" not in the game. As far as I'm concerned, my "wishlist" for RCT will never be in there (more realistic coaster) which is why I bought No Limits and Hyper Rails. You keep claiming that 95% of the people who buy this game see it as sufficient, but from what I've seen on these boards and in regular day-to-day life, its the other way around.
UK Nemesis - you should work for Infrogame's marketing dept. ;)
LG - you're not giving GP their due credit. People ARE smart enough to figure out that a drop-down menu with a different kind of looking coaster car *isn't* a new ride.
But it IS a new ride. Was it there before? No. Then it's new. Again, the disappointed comes from the interpretation of "new". I maintain that most of the people (easily 95%) who purchase this game will not feel ripped off in any way.
Dictionary.com's entry for "new" - which of these criteria is not met with these additional themed rides?
The average RCT player isn't obsessing about the lack of a giant frisbee or chaos ride then spouting off to the world via the internet about how they (infogrames) lied and it's a ripoff and we should all boycott the RCT series. They're enjoying the new scenery and the abililty to create fully themed parks and the challenge of new scenarios. These boards don't represent the "average" RCT player by a long shot.
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UK Nemesis, you're exactly right - I know I'm one of thsoe customers who won't buy RCT3 until its down to the $9.99 special rack and I know that the two friends who just tried out WW will probably not even buy RCT3 at all ...
Take a look at this thread though:
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=29498
Just read through the comments. Even after it's obvious that the "new" rides are just rethemed versions - there's just people who refuse to believe it. It's actually hilarious. I've never posted a more prophetic post in my life (15th post)
It all played out exactly like I guessed it would. You can see people making "wishlists" and guessing that even if there are new themes on old rides that there HAS to be some new ones. How can you not be disappointed when you ignore the facts and set your expectations so high?
I haven't seen, heard or know anyone who didn't do this that is truly unhappy with the new options.
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But just come back and let me know so I can get some satisfaction when you come across your first person that is pure-GP that is disappointed ... and I'll get back to you when I find an enthusiast that accepts it as a good game worth the money ;)
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