I certainly hope so. It would only make sense (at least me) to remove it. Once the retracking is complete would be the opportune time. If they retrack the ride but keep the brake, the ride will only beat itself back into the condition it's been in for the past few seasons. If they remove the brake and allow the train to negotiate the course as it was designed to, the retracking would not go to waste.
It flew in the face of what I believed about those first drop brakes, but it's what I experienced.
I had a similar ride on Mantis this year too...brake free and I got a little too beat up during the first half.
This is why I mention it happening after the retracking is complete. When all of the beat-up track is replaced, if the brake were removed, the train wouldn't operate in a way that would destroy the track.
Before I state my opinion about the brake I will list the changes the ride is had.
The ride was built in 1989 with trailored PTCs. In 1995 the trains were refurbished with four axels per car. This caused the trains to weigh more and go way faster. The heavier trains beat up the track not the trims. GL decided to use G-trains on RWB to equal the weight of the former trailored trains.
It was June 30th, 1995 that a teenage girl was ejected from the ride. She may have stood up she may have not. Either way it seems that the faster ride created the forces that could have made it possible for a rider to be thrown out. That's the main reason why the trim brake is there (not to mention it was causing stress to the track).
In April, 2005 I rode at night, trimless. It was the best ride I ever had. For over a year I complained for it to be turned off permenantly. However, last month I rode TW when the trims were either off or loose. Unfortunatly, it wasn't really better.
Personally, I want the ride to go as fast as it can. That probably means that several changes would need to be made. Timber Wolf needs to be retracked, and possibly redesigned to hold the extra weight of the trains going at full speed.
It may be best to do these things (retracking, increased speed) and other things such as building the tunnels the ride was originally supposed to have, to advertise it as a whole new ride.
I love Timber Wolf and I want it to be the ride I know it can be.
Not sure what the park did but it was not the awesome ride it was when I first rode in the mid-90s. What a shame ;-(
Again this is only a theory based on observation, I have no proof to confirm this is causing the problem.
Was the trailered PTC train a Curtis Summmers specifiction to PTC, or was it just PTC's "latest and greatest" design of the time perioud that all coaster builders used?
Are there ANY coasters still using the PTC trailered trains?
With Dorney as my home park, I'm well versed in the downfall of Hercules. While it was obvious to me the track and support structure were taking a beating, I never realized the heavier 2-axles/car trains were the main culprit, and his weight different was enough to affect the speed profile of the ride?
-Steelforceguy *** Edited 8/1/2006 1:08:36 AM UTC by SteelForceGuy***
I have ridden nearly 100 wood coasters now and none of them shuffle anywhere near as bad as Timber Wolf. It seems to me that the supporting structure needs reinforcing in order to maintain the track which needs to be completely redone. Retracking alone is just a band-aid, but it looks like this is being taken care of. There is a brief moment (about 2 seconds) between the thrid drop and the helix where the awful shuffling stops. The ride is salvageable; it's just going to take a lot of work!
At the Coaster Mayhem event, it was said that they are planning to return TW to its former glory. Let's hope they do!
Acoustic Visosity said:
I have ridden it every year since it opened in 1989. Timber Wolf was still pretty good for several years post 1995. It's only the past two years or so that it has been this awful.
Thank you! I assume you agree then that it's not crap?
The ride wasn't designed to have these heavy trains. That's the problem and it's caused damage over a period of time.
Along with retracking the ride either needs a) lighter weight trains or b) better structural work that would support the heavier trains and allow the ride to run faster. My preference would be b.
Also I know it is hard to believe for some of you who do not ride the coaster as often as us locals, but they did do some trackwork and it is actually a better ride than it has been the last two years. I know scary to think how bad it WAS. I think after this coming massive retracking, the coaster will run more like her old self.
Yes, that girl stood up. She was switching seats with her riding partner and was sitting on the headrest when it went over the diving turn. Her getting killed was entirely the fault of her acting stupidly and recklessly.
The park hasn't said anything, I'm sure. WOF is in terrible shape, with the removal of Zambezi Zinger and Orient Express, two of its anchor attractions. The park needs a good wooden coaster. Timber Wolf was once one of the best wooden coasters operating. Now it's a pile of crap, and it doesn't have to be. This TLC project is good, for sure, but it'll go to waste after one season if that brake's still there. The ride will start tearing itself apart again and will still be slow and forceless. That's why I think that brake is the NUMBER ONE factor in the quality of the ride. *** Edited 8/1/2006 5:01:19 AM UTC by Tatsukaze***
Timberwolf was in my lower-third of wooden coasters, I found Mamba overbraked, "Morgan-ish" (bad trains, little floats), and pretty meh. Orient Express is thankfully gone. Coaster-wise, for me, it was NOT the best of parks. (That looks MUCH better now, BTW).
Yet, there was something almost tangible about the park, something I loved...oh, yeah, that's it, they had THE best *employees* in all of CF by a WIDE margin. Smiling, friendly, helpful, laughing with the guests (instead of AT them)...kinda like SFFT. :)
*** Edited 8/1/2006 2:31:06 PM UTC by rollergator***
The only bright spot to me was the sprays of water along the track. When did they start doing that?
Acoustic Viscosity said:
There are plenty of faster woodies that can run trimless and not destroy themselves.
Those rides weren't designed by Summers/Dinn though. *** Edited 8/1/2006 3:39:48 PM UTC by DorneyDante***
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