Will CP go back to Beemers?

Two things needed at CP:

Wood

Inversions

Now we all recognize CP likes record breakers, and they have allready learned that tall woodies (Mean Streak) hardly ever work. So if they were to go wood and want a record breaker the natural lean would be towards length. However that presents some problems, they have no room to put a twister that would approach Beast proportions, it would have to be an out and back on the DT/WT/Breakers/Magnum side of the park.

An out and back though presents some problems. First and formost, CP has an out and back (Blue Streak) they dont like to repeat designs. Also, they own MA and having a huge out and back will decrease Shivering Timbers appeal (not a good thing). Finally they destroy the reliative quietness of the Breakers beach. To put it simply, until the parking garrage/parking off the pennisula plan is put into effect I dont think we will see another woodie.

However, if we were to see one my bet would not be on a woodie on the beach (too close to Blue Streak) but starting in the MF cavity made by the first drop and first turn and then skipping over the raft ride, log flume and midway and into the Fronteir cars area (that would need to be removed).

I think it is much more likely that we see a record breaking inversion machine in the MF cavity. I disagree with the thought that inversions are going out of style. If done right (ie with an element having good pos and neg gs) a ride packed with inversions is very thrilling. CP will not build a floorless, SFWOA has one something would need to be different about it. I dont think CP would build a flyer either, not only does SFWOA allready have a flyer but so does Chicago thus making this ride only novel to people from MI.

I stick by my earlier belief that CP will add a BM sitdown with some sort of launch system (BM might baulk at first but show them enough money and they will do it).

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Summer 03-CP, HP, SFDL, SFNE, SFWOA, and SFGAm.

IMO they could do that looping coaster idea with a floorless coaster, not just a sit down.

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I go to the point each year to have their new coaster break down, thats my life. Dragster and WT may have been closed, but MF is always there to fulfill my thrill needs

While 3 of my top 5 coasters are intamin I have to say that I still love B&M. Half of my top 10 are beemers thoughI can't get enough of them and I think that's what CP needs isa good B&M flyer or floorless (I don't see floorless because people will assume it's the same as Raptor). CP blows away all other parks in my opinion but as already said they lack in the inversions department (they also lack in woodies but woodies aren't my favorite thing in the world)and I would hope that if they did build a flyer they would put an immelman/ dive loop inversion because I think that would be incredible, and I agree they need a major attraction in the Frontiertown area and the back of the park in general because Mean Streak just doesn't cut it (although I didn't find it painful like most, just boring).
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Top 3: 1. Top Thrill Dragster 2. Millennium Force 3. Magnum XL200

I still don't think the most inversions is in their best interest. You can only go so far with that. Having the most upside down features is just boring to me.

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YOUNGSTOWN 2010

Boring to you, yes, but something of interest to most members of public I think.

I remember watching some coaster show and seeing a Arrow engineer at the time state something to the effect "You don't approach CP if you don't have the latest and greatest and fastest". Here's the problem, B&M never will have that. Yeah Intamin had some problems and if I were Walter and Claude I would have been at CP's doorstep when TTD had the big problems earlier in the season. Then you think well how is CP going to beat TTD? Pretty hard with a B&M. Well not really, but harder to top TTD with B&M then Intamin I suppose. Once the Intamin rides get the kinks worked out they are great, and at times the rival or overtake B&M's, but nine times out of ten you know the B&M's will be operating when you goto your park.

If I was on the board I would be split 50/50 now. Probably going to B&M unless Intamin came back and said now look what we can do. Which they probably would do. Rephrasing that, if both companies said they could build the same exact coaster in every aspect, I would take the B&M over the Intamin.

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Gemini 100

CP has enough inversions: Corkscrew, Raptor, Mantis....

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YOUNGSTOWN 2010
*** This post was edited by jkpark 7/19/2003 1:21:39 PM ***

LOL! 3 coasters out of 16 with inversions is "enough?" Well, I guess it is to them or they would have more...I just find that strange as other parks have six and sometimes seven coasters that have inversions. But CP is doing well, so maybe they don't need 'em?

Joe, who notes the last four coasters at CP have been inversionless.

EDIT: I also just realized that SFGAm went from 1992 - 2001 without getting a coaster with inversions (Batman until Deja Vu). Interesting.

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Top Thrill Dragster -- The most intense, unbelievable, and spectacular fifteen seconds on any coaster, anywhere, ever.
*** This post was edited by Legendary 7/19/2003 2:32:27 PM ***

The definite answer is: maybe.

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Is that a Q-bot in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

I doubt that Cedar Point would want to install another B&M given the current "selection" of products that are out there at the present time. Why install a floorless B&M (indeed why did Six Flags California)? Or a flyer? That's too redundant for them (in a way) at this point. They need to keep introducing new products and taking risks just like they have done with TTD. After all, how many people (enthusiasts or otherwise) would have been talking about the "new B&M floorless" at Cedar Point in mid-July? Look at these messsage boards on Coasterbuzz - the interest (and frustration) with the coaster is still there. In my mind, they made the right decision to take the "chance" on TTD. While I am sure Cedar Point (Cedar Fair to be more precise) is very happy with the B&M products they've installed at their parks, I wouldn't imagine they would install another one unless it's something we haven't seen before. But that's just my thought.

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"That's DOCTOR Evil. I didn't spend six years in evil medical school to be called 'Mr. Thank You Very Much.'"

If the oft rumored B&M 4d ever comes to frutition I would expect CP to go that route. Other then that the only place they have left is a flyer. Highest, fastest, loopiest flyer sounds like its right up CP's alley.

I have heard numerous times that the relations between CP and B&M are rather strained as it is, so who knows.

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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.

I wonder why that is. It seems like every B&M product that Cedar Fair has installed has run reliably and on time, with good capacity from the start. Maybe it has to do with B&M not wanting to build MF...

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"It's not a Toomer" - Arnold Schwartzenkoph
"Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know." -Jeff

Well the replacement of half of Raptor's Cobra Roll, the addition of the trim on Mantis's trim and the refusal of CP to install train sheds on their Beemers seem to be the major sticking points.

Mind you this is all just hearsay.

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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.

If CP can get over MF's issues, WT's issues and install TTD (I think that acronym *stands* for issues!), then my guess is they will look to B&M for a new attraction, if they have something the park wants.

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Top Thrill Dragster -- The most intense, unbelievable, and spectacular fifteen seconds on any coaster, anywhere, ever.

Not to get off the subject but I can't see how a park can add a floorless when they already have an inverted B&M. The inverted is more thrilling (to me anyway) because you not only have no floor under you, but also no track as well.

But anyway, CP needs a new wooden coaster and flat ride a lot more than another steel coaster.

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YOUNGSTOWN 2010

Other then Wildfire, have we seen any standard sitdown loopers since the floorless was added to the line up?

To me the floorless is a standard sitdown looper. The only difference is the train and the station, the floorless train just heightens the experience which is truly different then the experience of an inverted coasters.

BGT, SFWoA, SFMW, SFMM, and SFGAdv all have floorless coasters and inverted coasters.

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If given the choice I'd choose a hamburger over a hotdog anyday of the week.

BGT dosn't have a floorless. Kumba is a sitdown.

I think that CP will go with a B&M flyer as their next coaster.

We all know that CP doesn't do prototypes.

I don't see them going with wood since they obviously won't break any records with it (it won't be the highest, and without that record, it's pretty hard to have the longest) unless it's the record for lets say, the "longest tunnel". Yeah right.

It probably won't be a sitdown looper since they have Corkscrew (although there is a slight posibility).

Both of CP's biggest rivals (SFWoA and SFGA) have a flyer, and you know how CP loves to "top the competition" (i.e. WT topped S:UE and MF topped RB). A B&M flyer would be a logical choice since it would be relatively easy to make it the tallest, fastest, longest, and loopiest. Makes since to me.
*** This post was edited by Dusa65 7/19/2003 9:33:54 PM ***

First and formost what CP really really needs is a few good Giant Huss rides.

Go 4 hrs south if you want those. ;)

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