What exactly counts as a credit?

I have no problem with you counting it that way. What I don't understand is why many people have a HUGE problem with the way I count!

[not referring to you]

^^If I can count a mobius loop powered coaster as 2 credits, then you can do your count however you see fit. ;)

How about renamed? For example, can you claim separate credits for Scooby-Doo AND Fairly Odd Parents at PKD? (And a third one when CF renames it?)

What about different trains on the same coaster? Can I get credits for both the Raspberry AND the Teal trains on Twister?

My rules are similar to Mamoosh's.
Racers count as one.
Duelers count as one or two, depending on whether the two sides are named differently. Dueling Dragons and Gwazi both count as two.
Mirror image coasters count as one, no matter what RCDB says. *RCDB counts DD as one.

Although mine differs, when I'm in doubt, I check RCDB

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Rob Ascough said:
Makes me wonder what category Rolling Thunder falls into...

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In the words of The Big Lebowski, mark it a zero. Either because you haven't ridden it (you're lucky) or because you don't want to admit that you have! ;)

How about renamed? For example, can you claim separate credits for Scooby-Doo AND Fairly Odd Parents at PKD? (And a third one when CF renames it?)

If you want to count those, go for it. It is not in any way, shape, or form a differnt coaster in the physical sense but if you want to pad your count in that way I have no problem with it.

What about different trains on the same coaster? Can I get credits for both the Raspberry AND the Teal trains on Twister?

Sure. For some people counting like that it the only way to make it appear they've been on a lot of coasters ;)

Rob Ascough - using my method counting Rolling Thunder is easy because there are no gray areas to debate: it's one.

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MY question for Moosh is what about, say, CB Cyclone and SFGE's Comet, which was not only relocated, but the layout was changed heavily...just curious.

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Mamoosh said:
Arthur - the answer is simple: whichever method you feel comfortable with is the one that is right for you.

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Thank you, Moosh. That is what I was going to say. Make your own rules! ;)

-Tina

I go by a combo of:

1. Only if RCDB says it's a coaster(unless it's obvious and unlisted like a caterpillar or Dragon Wagon).
2. Same Track, same coaster.
3. Different Layouts, Different coasters( mirror image doesn't qualify for this).

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Mamoosh said:
I have a very conservative way of counting BUT it eliminates all of the gray areas, such as who/what exactly defines "markedly different"?

My method:

1]If I ride it, I count it.
2]No matter how many tracks it counts only as one.
3]No matter how different each track is it counts only as one.
4]If it is relocated in any manner I do not recount it.
5]If it receives a different running stock, is painted a different color, or placed inside a building I do not recount it.
6]I count only one per model of traveling [carnival] coaster.
7]I do not count new "experiences" i.e. turning a train or cars on a train backwards.
8]If it is 100% powered I do not count it.

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I agree with this conservative :) method of counting except in such much as I have some theoretical difficulty with point 8. I doubt that any coaster is 100% powered; surely gravity must play at least a part when the train is heading downhill? If a powered ride is clearly a coaster as opposed to, for example, a simple train ride or a dark ride then I would count it. *** Edited 7/2/2006 12:47:42 PM UTC by Martin Valt***

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2]No matter how many tracks it counts only as one.
3]No matter how different each track is it counts only as one.

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O.K. I have the exact oposite opinon, I count Materhorn and Dueling Dragons tracks as 2 seperate rides and credits.

Materhorns tracks split up after the lift and only come close a couple times after that. Also I like the left's sides water splash better.

Dueling Dragons also split up after the lift and have 3 or 4 near colisions after that. Also the fire dragon has biger drop by 20 feet and goes faster.

LOL, I've tried in vain to convince Moosh to count DD as two, they are SUCH different experiences.

Plus, I simply hate MY Fire Dragon being *lumped together* with that horrendous pseudo-Vekoma... ;)

I doubt that any coaster is 100% powered; surely gravity must play at least a part when the train is heading downhill?

If the mechanism powering the ride is always "on" than it cannot ever be powered only be gravity; however gravity can make the train run a bit faster than it's powered speed when going downhill. Think of it like driving a car...you're not coasting unless the engine is off.

LOL, I've tried in vain to convince Moosh to count DD as two, they are SUCH different experiences.

I don't count experiences. If I did I'd count every single seat on every single train on each individual day I rode. Every single time you ride a coaster there is always something different -- albeit not necessarily a difference one can notice -- that make it a totally new experience in some small way.

My personal rules are simple:

1. Vastly remodeled AND renamed coasters count twice (Steel Phantom, Phantom's Revenge)

2. Racers and twin coasters generally only count once, unless the layouts are different *AND* the park bothered to give each side a different name. Racers that just mirror each other, and certainly Mobius coasters, only count once, but rides like Twisted Twins (Lola and Stella) or Dueling Dragons (Fire and Ice) count twice.

(Rolling Thunder is only one credit in my book, since the park didn't bother to name both sides, and I don't care for the ride enough to make sure I've ridden both sides anyway ;) )

3. Reversing a train doesn't mean a new credit. Combining this with rule 2 (racers that mirror each other) means the various Paramount racers only count once.

4. Relocating a "fixed" ride to a different permanent park is a new credit. I've only had to face this once that I can recall -- Wilde Maus from BGW(E) to Cheetah Chase at BGT(A).

5. Fully "powered" coasters don't count.

If I counted everything that some of you whores count, my track record would probably be over 500, instead of the mere 452 it's at as I type this ;) (If I went with a pure Moosh-style counting system, my record would be 446, so it's not like my slightly more lenient system is allowing a ton of extra credits :) )

This is definitely one of those "whatever makes you happy" things! 2 comments (strictly IMO) - a few mentioned Rolling Thunder - 2 very different profiles. As far as renaming - I never count that, but what I wanted to say is I go a step further: I never re-name a coaster on my list, even if the park does! If the ride changes as part of the re-name, then it's a new credit with the new name. You guys are almost convincing me about the mirror/parallel thing being 2 - but then I'd have to try to remember which of those I COULDN'T ride when I was there. (I think there's only 1 or 2 of those, STE @ Magic Mountain comes to mind. Oh, and a few mentioned RCDB - don't they count all powered coasters? *** Edited 7/3/2006 4:20:18 AM UTC by Fubar***

All this talk about counting coasters. Next thing, you'll be telling me that people rank them. ;)

Hail CBuzz Warriors!

LOL, I've tried in vain to convince Moosh to count DD as two, they are SUCH different experiences.

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Mamoosh said:I don't count experiences. If I did I'd count every single seat on every single train on each individual day I rode. Every single time you ride a coaster there is always something different -- albeit not necessarily a difference one can notice -- that make it a totally new experience in some small way.

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DD as the name implies, are TWO seperate Dragons, each competeting with each other. Add in the unique computer control system, and each coaster, has a unique "experience" in the same seat, on each coaster for each trip up the lift hill.

HOWEVER, the coasters ARE complete and seperate animals, even each train on each coaster on DD.

Oh why not, the last time I rode DD, I can't count it as a coaster. The rain decided to fall at like 6" per minute, or something else normally just as rediculous. The ride Op announced, "Welcome to Dueling Dragons, now a "water ride!"

Can I count my last ride on DD as a "log flume" ride?

Is DL SM a dark ride, or a coaster?

I consider Knotts motorcycle racers, and box racers as two different rides (SAME TRACK EVEN!). But, I don't count them each 4 times, for each track.

I consider SFMM Collossus 1 coaster, except for the ride backwards. But, I really don't know if the rides pre-reprofile count the same as post-prefile.

I consider the ride of Knotts Corkscrew, VS Silverwoods Corkscrew as 2 credits. Like the Knotts change in "cars", the change in location is enough to make it "different" then current clones of different coasters.

I don't count SFMM Revolution as two rides just because the restraint change.

And, I consider SFMM SuperMan a coaster. The "elements" are "speed" and "freefall".

I consider SFMM Free Fall a coaster also. In FF the drop starts vertical, in SM the (lift/)drop occurs horizontal.

And, DL Matterhorn, gets 2 credits. Again two seperate tracks. The real question is do I get 4 credits? Two credits Pre-Yeti, and now Two more credits POST-Yeti? (As far as I understand, this coaster was "re-tracked" in addition to "filling-in" the open mountain.

Aside for seat position in a train, if the train, or rails undergo a significant change, why not count it?

If the train, or rails, just get a paint job, why bother?

DD as the name implies, are TWO seperate Dragons, each competeting with each other. Add in the unique computer control system, and each coaster, has a unique "experience" in the same seat, on each coaster for each trip up the lift hill.

That's how you see it and I have no problem with it. Do YOU have a problem with me counting the attraction as one credit?

I think that if you ride a racing, dueling, etc. coaster, each side should count for 1/2 a coaster credit. It's one ride with two experiences. You haven't had the complete experience until you've ridden both sides.

Again, another totally fine method of counting.