What are they (HW/SS) up to now? (Timberliners on Voyage)

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Did they remove the post? I'm not seeing it. If it's true though, I'm disappointed... but I can be patient.

Yay! The greatest ride ever built lives on. All the new track will be for nothing? Seriously? Wow. Most of it was just fine for five years. One season isn't going to ruin it. :)

Off topic, but still interesting. I was checking out google maps and was suprised to see a pre-Voyage Holiday World.

For comparison, Flash Earth with Bing Maps has a much more current view.

birdhombre said:
Did they remove the post? I'm not seeing it. If it's true though, I'm disappointed... but I can be patient.

No, it was in response to a question someone posted on their wall. The post is under Holiday World's post about St. Patrick's Day.

I see no such comment.

Acoustic Viscosity said:
Yay! The greatest ride ever built lives on.

:)

After riding the Voyage last season, I agree the track work is definitely not in vain! More like utterly necessary. I'm looking forward to a better ride this year, and having an even better comparison to make once the Timberliners do arrive.

Matt & Gator -- Since I know you're Wooden Warrior fans, how do you feel about the trains? And are you nonetheless disappointed at the prospect of Voyage getting them? Personally I'm quite looking forward to it after riding WW, but I know we have very different tastes. :)

To see the comment on HW's Facebook page, you have to click to view all posts (not just Holiday World). Garrett Westerfield asked about the trains 20 hours ago, and Holiday World responded to that comment with the above quote.

I was initially afraid they might reduce some of the intensity of (The) Voyage - hi Paula! ;) While Warrior was crazy-intense with Timberliners, it is important to note that it was designed to run those trains. In other words, the comparison may be a little appels-to-oranges.

Before last season, the HW ride was so head-and-shoulders above my #2, my thinking was along the lines of "why mess with ultimate success" - this being after the SFNE RoS *de-pimping* of the ride. I prefer to take a wait-and-see before proclaiming the Timberliners to be a benefit or a drawback on The Voyage....but I will say the feeling of freedom on Warrior was a real benefit. Since I've gotten to ride Rip Ride Rock'it many times, I have to say that the Timberliners belly-bar restraint is something I've grown to like a lot in a short period of time. Plus, unlike CI Cyclone, there's not a lot on The Voyage where you really get much "pivot action" from the longer trains.

This all adds up to me thinking that when the T-liners come, most will be pleased at the ease of loading/unloading, and the addded freedom, and that very few will notice much in terms of lost push/pull outside of the first couple hills.

Matt will have to answer when he gets home I suppose...LOL! ;)

edited to add: Today's word of the day is "The". Brought to you by the good people of HW/SS. :)

Linking on FB isn't that hard...

https://www.facebook.com/HolidayWorld/posts/10150619347114538

We already know there will probably be significant benefits to running Timberliners on the Voyage. Gravitykraft and Holiday World already have the data that say so. Whether that will translate into meaningful benefits for us as customers remains to be seen. But for the park, the benefits should be significant.

I wonder what the hold up is...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Have there been noticeable changes to the "live" Timberliners at Quassy and Grona Lund? I have a bunch of nuts-and-boltsy detail pictures of the Tims from my surprise stop at Quassy last May... I may have to do some comparing if I can I make it back on my identical roadtrip this May.

Even if Holiday World can't get the trains in time for opening day, why do they need to wait for 2013? Why can't they do some off-hours testing and start using the trains a few weeks later in the season?

Parks spend most of their off hours doing maintenance and safety checks. Plus, I'm sure they'd rather do the testing in daytime hours. Not to mention that the brakes may need to be calibrated differently. Sounds like a lot of hassle for not a lot of (if any) usable time to test/

I suspect the biggest reason is that they don't want to make some of the very significant changes required to switch trains. Even the most basic alteration...switching from 6- or 7-car trains to 14-car trains is more than just throwing a switch. And last year I learned that because of differences in the upstops, there are places where the upstop steel on the track has been doubled up for the PTC trains but must be stripped back for the Timberliners. Basically, there are reinforcements in place for the PTC trains that are not entirely compatible with the Timberliners, and if the track is put into Timberliner configuration the PTC trains will tear it up.

Add to that the pressures of keeping a park working...there are plenty of reasons not to test during daily operation.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

^Upstop steel is doubled! Damn, that's one mean machine of a coaster.

WOW! Must have been some major modifications done to the train design since Paula said waiting for NEW trains and they already had a set. I know Gravity Kraft stated they would take what they learned from Wooden Warrior and Twister and applied that to the trains for Voyage. But, there must have been a lot to warrant new Trains. Or were they able to modify the original ones?

I will have to agree with a previous post about ride comparison on rework using PTCs. Really looking forward to it!

Anyone ready to say that Voyage may never get Timberliners? I'm not sure anyone else will want the trains if it takes 3+ years to get them on a ride.

Maybe they could put them on Flying Turns.