What are they (HW/SS) up to now? (Timberliners on Voyage)

^Ooooh burn! LOL

Others already have the trains. I think the issue is that no other ride is The Voyage. It really is the worst-case scenario in terms of extremeness (is that a word?). I might be reading into it, but this doesn't sound like a technical delay, it sounds like a production delay.

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Agreed Jeff. Take a ride and make it very unique for a park with all the bells and whistles and you must build special trains. So the trains themselves will be unique as the Voyage.

"Basically the problem is that The Voyage hates anything you try to run on it."

--Mike Graham, explaining why the Voyage would be getting a redesigned Timberliner. And noting that when the updated Raven train ran on the Voyage it sustained more damage in a single season than it had suffered in all of its years on the Raven.

I know nothing, I'll say that up front...

But I'm with Jeff. I'm guessing this is a production delay, although given the lead time it seems rather surprising. But then, there were production delays with the first set, too.

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Either that or the final Voyage trains will just become the "normal" Timberliners for future installations. I mean, yeah there are two instances of Timberliners in the field, but they're on coasters that are, at most, 50' tall. With the exception of the designed-for turning radius and roll rates on those rides, they don't really compares to the length, speed, duration, insanity etc. of the Voyage. What might be "good enough" for those might not be for a more serious ride like the Voyage.

Whatever does end up on the Voyage, with all the tweaks and improvements... I'd bet money that that will be the production Timberliner for any future installations.

Bill
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Maybe---but they might be over-engineered (and therefore more expensive than necessary) for "simpler" installations.

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RideMan said:

"Basically the problem is that The Voyage hates anything you try to run on it."
--Mike Graham, explaining why the Voyage would be getting a redesigned Timberliner.

But it was originally said that the Timberliners were designed with The Voyage in mind (which is why Will said he bought them). I don't get how a mistake this big can be made, especially with all of the mountains of data everyone says they have.

My hunch is that the special Voyage Timberliners will not be as light as the original iteration, so the originally-touted benefits will not be as significant (though I know steering is still involved). I'm betting The Gravity Group now knows why trains this light haven't been built before.

I wish them the best, but this is quite the delay for a product they were so sure of.

The product hasn't been delayed at all. Implementation of the product on a structure that was not designed for them has been delayed. I'm sure that it's still true that the 'timberliners were built for voyage' statement is fact, but that doesn't mean much. We haven't been told that the Voyage was built around the trains, and in fact we know they weren't.

Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.

Brian Noble said:
Maybe---but they might be over-engineered (and therefore more expensive than necessary) for "simpler" installations.

There are no other wooden coaster that I know of that would *require* the train to be able to handle the forces that The Voyage delivers. I imagine the trains for HW will be different from those that are probably running just fine on Wooden Warrior and Grona Lund's Twister (and likely to include other "mortal" coasters in the next couple years)...

Son of Beast? ;)

^ It didn't have the extreme forces that Voyage has. It was just a rough mediocre ride from the start.

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Billy

Tekwardo said:
The product hasn't been delayed at all. Implementation of the product on a structure that was not designed for them has been delayed. I'm sure that it's still true that the 'timberliners were built for voyage' statement is fact, but that doesn't mean much. We haven't been told that the Voyage was built around the trains, and in fact we know they weren't.

So, if I need a new back to my chair, design and build one for the specific chair, and it doesn't fit the chair, I should blame it on the chair's design? And then go design a "special" chair back to fit the same chair?

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While we are all sad and getting over the fact that Timberliners won't be on Voyage this year :) why not take a look at the Wooly Mammoth! I think that bad boy is all done.

Billy

Here's a great video of Raven's first run of the year.

Billy

Voyage is looking very smoooooth now. Like butter.

Billy

Yes, but with those mixed-vintage PTC trains, how long will it last?

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I'll be interested to see a video of the Voyage with the re-profiled track.

RideMan said:
Yes, but with those mixed-vintage PTC trains, how long will it last?
--Dave Althoff, Jr.

You know the answer to that Dave. About a year, then they will fix it again. Like they always do.

Billy

Voyage testing with mostly water dummies; new track!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=otUPFcDxBPg

Billy