Not gonna argue the attendence difference, After working at WOF for five years (ended in 98) the park attendance has been declining since they added pretty much nothing in 99 (year after Mamba) Also if you follow the rotation theory, VF got skipped when Dorney got Talon, so it would rightfully be their turn.
I must however argue about the VF coaster lineup compared to WOF.
VF:Wild Thing (Morgan Hyper, braked to death)
High Roller: (good out and back, also braked)
Corkscrew: (cookie cutter Arrow)
Excalibur: (Arrow mine, I actually love this coaster, although I think I am the only one)
Wild Mouse (Family coaster)
Mild Thing (kiddie)
WOF: Mamba (Morgan Hyper, 75 mph...twice, great helix, not braked to death, rated in top 10)
Timberwolf: (Dinn/Summers, rated #1 in 91, still in top 20, braked on first drop but still gives a crap load of air)
Orient Express: (Arrow, first kamikazi, 5 looper, largest when built)
Boomerang: (cookie cutter Vekoma, horrible paint design)
Wacky Worm: (kiddie)
In comparing the two parks, having more coasters does not make them better. (for the following thoughts I am eliminating the kiddies)Are VF's coasters uniquely designed? With the exception of Excalibur and somewhat Wild Thing, no. Are WOF's coasters uniquely designed? With the exception of Boomerang, and somewhat Mamba, yes. Morgan hypers all have a typical layout with a few differences. T-Wolf & Express are both very unique designs. T-Wolf was mimicked to build Zues. Corkscrew and High Roller are mildly adjusted copies of previous rides.
I honestly enjoy both parks coasters and ride every one, but I felt it was unfair to say that Valleyfairs were better than WOF's. I am honestly biased to WOF, but I think when you compare the two, the originality wins.
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Matt said:
Timberwolf: (Dinn/Summers, rated #1 in 91, still in top 20, braked on first drop but still gives a crap load of air)
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I've seen a lot of people post this and I have yet to see any brakes on TW's first drop and I've looked (a lot).
Ride in the front seat and you cannot miss it. It is right as the train starts to descend (not the little dip after it disengages from the lift). If the brake is on, and you are used to riding w/o the break, you can feel the train being restricted as it first starts to drop. It is not major, just enough to slow the train a little.
Looking through my pictures of T-Wolf, I do not have one showing the angle that it would need to see the brake. If someone else here does, please post it. It is a single brake mechanism, same type as the station/checks/mids utilize.
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What is it Lassie? Did Timmy fall down the well again? Rough. Did Mr. Wilson have a heart attack? Rough. Is the drug dealer here for his money? Rough Rough. RUN!
Where did I ever say I was disapointed that WOF was not getting a coaster? I said that since VF got skipped by Dorney, it is their turn.
Also, they haven't even announced that they are getting a coaster. Flags and spray paint do not automatically equal coaster. The surveying could be for hundreds of different things. We should just wait till they announce
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wof fan
Matt said:
We should just wait till they announce
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wof fan
That's the only option to do. But a little speculation never hurt anyone.
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“If you give a enthusiast a footer.......He’ll want a coaster!!!"
Matt said:
Also if you follow the rotation theory, VF got skipped when Dorney got Talon...
And that's where you'd be skipping a little something....okay, a big something. A 275-foot something that would have been 300+ feet if not for its proximity to Flying Cloud Airport (but nobody rides the decorative arches anyway).
In 2000, VF spent $9 million on PT. They didn't get skipped at all...they just didn't spend the money on a coaster.
So from 1996 - present, the big cap budget count will more than likely be
VF - 3
DP - 2 (but #2 was a biggie @ $14 million)
WOF - 1
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
Speedy, I've lived in Oregon for 7 years, going on 8 and I have never seen a commercial for Knotts, or SFMM, or Sea World San Diego, or PGA, or SFMW. And I rarely see Disneyland/ DCA campaigns either. Only time I see Disneyland advertisments is when they are offering some special deal, or when DCA opened last year. I mostly see WDW and IOA commercials up here. Arizona, Nevada, and Northen Cali are believable but Oregon and Washington may be streching it.
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Wood: 1)Villain, 2)Beast, 3)Roar(SFMW)
*** This post was edited by hunter11 on 8/9/2002. ***
I was referring to coasters and coasters only, so no, I did not skip Power Tower.
I wasn't referring to a capital expenditure issue. I was purely referring to coasters, as my post indicated. In 96 VF got WT, 97 Dorney got Steel Force, 98, WOF got Mamba. I group these three parks together outside the rest of CF because CP and Knotts are bigger players. Then after a few years off from the MAJOR coaster additions, in 2001 Dorney got Talon. Following the previous rotation, it should have been VF to start. I did not say the rotation was set in stone. I am sure CF makes their decisions in a different fashion (but then again I only worked for them for 5 years). If you remove coasters from the additions, there is no pattern of succession. Between 96 and 2001 all 3 parks received a tower complex, all three got laser shows (Valleyfair had one prior but joined the Stone Mountain company) as well as many others.
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wof fan
Money is money.
$9 million is more than enough to build a coaster, or two (SLC + Boomerang) or three (single-train mid-size CCIs).
It could also build two scrawny Detonators / Dominators with change to spare.
Your 'point' holds no water.
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
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The Beast and Night, They go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly
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“If you give a enthusiast a footer.......He’ll want a coaster!!!"
Ok CoastaPlaya, for the third time, I was not referring to capital expenditures. You cannot say I missed my point when you created it. You brought up the capital expenditures.
I referred specificially to coasters only, no towers, nothing.
Before you accuse me of being wrong, at least take the time to realize what I am talking about.
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wof fan
Whether or not it's a rollercoaster means absolutely NOTHING.
VF didn't 'miss' anything. If any park missed, it was WOF. In 2000, VF get the big cap budget and spent it on PT.
In 2001, DP got the big cap budget and spent it on Talon.
In 2002, WOF didn't get a big cap budget.....it got a small one and spent it on a Top Spin.
Now it would appear it's time for another big cap budget at VF.
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
CoasterPlaya I agree with you on this one because, what is a new coaster, tower or paint job? It's a capital expenditure.
Now the real question I want the answer to is, B&M Invert or Impulse?
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What is the topic of this thread? "Valleyfair preparing for a new coaster?" That is why I was referring to coasters only.
Up until you brought capital $$$ into it, it was not being discussed outside of coasters(at least on this page)
You attempted to argue my point on coasters, but turned the discussion away from them specifically into capital $$$ for anything. You changed the discussion to say I had no point. Keep it in the context that was intended, coasters only.
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wof fan
When a park spends enough for 2-3 coasters on a drop ride, a weak attempt to ignore it just doesn't wash.....especially when you specifically brought up laser shows in another sad effort to kid yourself that all things are equal.
Any way you slice it, WOF brings up the rear of the line. Get over it.
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
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