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baddboy said:
I am happy SFMM is getting SOMETHING....
SFMM has enough already!! Give some to the smaller parks like SFDL. You people who live near SFMM need a break from getting new rollercoasters
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Franko said:
baddboy said:
I am happy SFMM is getting SOMETHING....
SFMM has enough already!! Give some to the smaller parks like SFDL. You people who live near SFMM need a break from getting new rollercoasters
*** This post was edited by Franko on 10/20/2002. ***
Maybe if parks such as Darien Lake, Kentucky Kingdom, and AstroWorld had competition, sees major decline or increase in attendance in part of a new attraction, and have a high ROI rate, then your comment would be able to be counted as "reasonable." Six Flags, Inc. does not put in new rides "just because" they have to be fair and treat them all equally. It is all from a business stand point and if you put in a multi-million dollar custom designed B&M in a park like SFDL or SFAW every other year, you will lose money, and make the whole corporation look bad to investors.
kRaXLeRidAh said:
...you will lose money, and make the whole corporation look bad to investors.
Isn't that what Six Flags has been doing?
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Millenium Force Maniac said:
kRaXLeRidAh said:
...you will lose money, and make the whole corporation look bad to investors.
Isn't that what Six Flags has been doing?
Yah, exactly.
And it's not like we're complaining about not getting multi-million dollar B&Ms every year at parks like Astroworld - we're complaining about getting them NEVER. The last new custom designed major coaster to get plopped down at Astroworld was XLR8 in 1984! The only bone Gary Story and his cronies have thrown us since they took over the chain was the Vekoma SLC in 1999, come on. Rival theme parks aren't the ONLY form of competition, places like Astroworld have to compete with movies, sports, concerts and all sorts of myriad forms of entertainment. There's lots of ways one can spend an afternoon, and if the theme parks rarely get anything new to advertise and draw people in then they will suffer.
Anyway, that's digressing from the topic a bit. Yah, it's fine and dandy that SFMM is getting a new ride. Do they need it? Not really, but it's not exactly a bad thing that a new coaster is getting built at the park From a competitive standpoint Six Flags will have a new ride to advertise in the 2003 season and there wont be anything substantially new at Knotts or Disney. I can't help but feel they are going about improving Magic Mountain's desireability the wrong way, though. For the amount of money they are sinking into that new ride they could make dramatic leaps in customer service, cleanliness, and overall customer value which is what makes guests choose Knotts and Disney over Six Flags in the first place.
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coasterdude318 said:
SFAW was up this year. Why add a new coaster to a park that's bringing in people just fine??-Nate
Why add a new coaster to a park that just got the ONLY 4D hypercoaster in the world? The problem with Six Flags is they can't seem to figure out that every other park in the chain has the exact same type of market that SFMM has. We ALL want a new coaster every year, but SFMM is the ONLY market that consistently gets what it wants. The rest of us just get reminded that we should all be planning a trip to California, if we really wanna ride a record breaking new coaster every year! You bean-counter wannabes can rant and rave all you want about ROI's, but the fact remains that you have to spend money to make money! And as long as parks like SFAW get neglected every year, while parks like SFMM get OVERSPOILED every year, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that SFMM has a good ROI every year while SFAW has a poor ROI every year! DUH, if SFMM & SFAW were right next door to each other, which park would YOU go to? They're both a MESS as far as cleanliness, they're both ATROCIOUS as far as rides that desperately need repainting, but one gets a record breaking unique new coaster at least every other year or so while the other gets an obsolete used clone no more than once every five years or so! HELLO, That's not what I call good business sense by any stretch of the imagination, it's nothing more than pure unadulterated BS! SFMM = constant pampering, SFAW = constant neglect, so beith the law of his majesty, Gary Story! It will never change until that SOB is no longer CEO!
Now, as for SFMM finally getting a floorless, I'm actually happy for them. They've been wanting one since Medusa east, and it's one of the few coaster types they didn't have already, so they might as well get something they "need". God knows that SFAW will NEVER get what they NEED, so why not? It'll save all the spoiled little brats in LA a drive up to SF for Medusa west. Heaven forbid that THEY have to do ANY traveling to get THEIR adrenaline fix, like those of us who got stuck with SFAW for a home park do! WE have to go to SFOT, SFFT, or SFMM if WE wanna get a REAL rush, but by all means, spare the whiny little SFMM homies the travel expenses! Why should THEY have to travel at all?
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Man, lighten up. Look at me, living on the other side of the atlantic. My homepark is SFH and the last addition we had was Goliath. Granted, it's a very fun layout, but when will i finally ride a real hyper in my own country? Goliath is just 46 metres tall (150ft) That's like a standard in the US. And to rub it in, SF payed for commercials that showed S:ROS SFNE...
Now lemme just hope that the rumoured 220ft Intamin hyper for SF Belgium becomes a reality.
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The fact remains that SFAW is *up*. That's right - SFAW is bringing more than enough people in the gate to break even and (surprise!) Six Flags is happy with the crowds SFAW is bringing in. SF has finally stopped doing dumb business (keep adding coasters to parks that are up and/or parks that can't see a return on an investment) and their decisions this year seem pretty sensible. With SFAW up, they don't *need* anything! SF isn't complaining about SFAW being down because it's not! They don't have a poor ROI! Therefore, it makes *no* sense to build a coaster at a SFAW, a park that's doing well as is.
What about SFMM? Well, they were up this year too. BUT, they had a new ride (X) that was drawing in people. Judging from past years, attendance drops at SFMM when they don't add something new, most likely because they have some severe competition (note that SFAW has none outside of the SF parks). Thus, this year SFMM is getting something new as the start of a chain-wide program of giving to the top four parks every other year (SFGAdv, SFMM, SFGAm, SFoT). That way, at least two of the top four parks will be up each year (after this year, it will probably alternate...if not, then the top four will be up at least every other year). Since these parks bring in 1/3 of the entire income of the entire chain, they need those parks to be up as much as possible (thus the investments).
What I'm tired of is people living near the smaller parks (most notably SFAW and SFA) complaining! You don't like it? Go somewhere else! Give SF the message that you aren't going to visit a park without a new attraction. Here's some news for you - the SFMM, SFGAdv, SFGAm, and SFoT people aren't complaining (as you seem to insinuate they are). It's only the smaller park people who just don't get it.
-Nate (who would KILL to have SFH's Goliath nearby!)
My information comes directly from Six Flags (per the 2nd quarter conference call). Six Flags commented they are happy with their smaller parks, and it's their larger parks (particularly SFoT and SFGAdv) that brought the company down this year. I can't think of any more reliable source.
-Nate
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Helios said:
Man, lighten up. Look at me, living on the other side of the atlantic. My homepark is SFH and the last addition we had was Goliath. Granted, it's a very fun layout, but when will i finally ride a real hyper in my own country? Goliath is just 46 metres tall (150ft) That's like a standard in the US. And to rub it in, SF payed for commercials that showed S:ROS SFNE...
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You mean you didn't know if takes SF about 3 years to actually get footage of the real ride?
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