Tatsu specifications released

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SFoGswim said:

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40belowbeef said:
From the original specs I was guessing that the total elevation change was going to be the 170 feet...but its actually 263 feet!

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Actually, that would mean the ride would hit about 85 mph... not 62... so the total height elevation changes is 170.

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Uh. No. The lift height/maximum ride is 170-feet above ground, with a 111-foot first drop, thus a 62 mph top speed. The 263-foot elevation change stat is correct because Tatsu is built on a huge mountain, where the highest point on the ride to ground level in the park is 263 feet. Understand?

Ah...170 makes more sense, which was what I originally thought. Guess the 263ft was just a big number that means nothing but looks good for marketing purposes. Way to go marketing people! Got me all excited.

Hmm, although, after reading the press page again on six flags website, it does say from the top peak of its hill to just inches off the ground is 263 feet. I admit, 170ft seems more realistic...marketing mistake? We know that never happens. *** Edited 11/17/2005 8:35:16 PM UTC by 40belowbeef***

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TatsuRob said:
My god Tekno/Gonch is that all you do is ***** and complain, this is a freakin announcement to a very nice looking rollercoaster and all you have done is complain. STFU killjoys!

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Heh. I don't think I complained. Wait let me check...

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Nope. Not one bit.

It is intriguing that someone takes a pro-Ruben stance on things. You don't see that often.

Tekno, on the other hand, was complaining. ;)

Gee, I feel like SFMM right now. Like no matter what I do isn't good enough or just won't please cartain people or that certain people just hate what I do.

I feel for you SFMM, I feel for you...

Don't be over technical. The drop on the ride is not going to go all the way down the mountain, thank heavens, and due to this, they have more footage to play around with. Notice how the stats say the drop is 111 feet and the pretzel loop is 124 feet. I may be mistaken because I don't know the actual course but it seems as if that the Pretzel loop is not close to the drop in fact it seems to be the element mid way through the ride. The bottom of the Pretzel loop is probably going to be one of the lowest points if not the lowest anyway. The ride will be working it's way down the mountain during most of the ride, which in my opinion should keep it moving at a nice pace.

As for being force less, I'd rather this type of ride be that because of that prone position. I would not want to pull 3 to 4 g's on my stomach, that's just me. But seeing trees below you and diving in and out of them cranks up the intensity.

Very good implementation of positioning and the layout by Six Flags. *** Edited 11/17/2005 8:58:12 PM UTC by Magicmike***

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Olsor said:
Love the dragon train, but the dragon's going to be upside down for most of the ride. Methinks the Dueling Dragons trains got the orientation right.

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Actually, the trains are suppose to reflect ridng on the *back* of a dragon.

All that really matters is the general public hearing something awesome about a great new ride. Paul Ruben said good stuff. He said what people want and like to hear. What he said will alure people to ride Tatsu and hopefully give the park a better rep.

Theres really is no need to refer this as "another day in the six flags a gutter" just because someone you dont like is trying to hype it up. but its your opinion, thats cool.

I dont appreciate being called an idiot because i took a semi offense to your instant negativity. Thats my opinion. We are entitled to one right?

as far as tastu goes, you can quote me as Pro-Ruben with his hype if you want. as far you guys go(coastaplaya and techno) dont ever insult me without even knowing who i am or what im about. I thought you guys would know better message board ediquette than that.

You guys better watch out. I think he'll report you to the Yahoo police if you insult him again.

how about i report you to the bad comics police?

Are there any pics of the overall layout? I can't quite tell what's going on from the video, but it seems to be pretty neat. Like others, I hope I can grab some rides over Solace weekend.

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kRaXLeRidAh said:

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SFoGswim said:

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40belowbeef said:
From the original specs I was guessing that the total elevation change was going to be the 170 feet...but its actually 263 feet!

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Actually, that would mean the ride would hit about 85 mph... not 62... so the total height elevation changes is 170.

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Uh. No. The lift height/maximum ride is 170-feet above ground, with a 111-foot first drop, thus a 62 mph top speed. The 263-foot elevation change stat is correct because Tatsu is built on a huge mountain, where the highest point on the ride to ground level in the park is 263 feet. Understand?

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Wrong. It's simple physics. If the ride ever goes 263 ft. below it's tallest point (even if it was going 0 mph at that top point), it's going to have to be going at least 80 mph... and that accounts for loss due to friction. The total elevation change is going to be like 160 ft or so... if the ride's maximum speed is 62 mph, that is. *** Edited 11/17/2005 10:42:09 PM UTC by SFoGswim***

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Ride It said: I thought you guys would know better message board ediquette than that.

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Ediquette about tastu?

-CO

*** Edited 11/17/2005 10:42:04 PM UTC by CoastaPlaya***

Wrong SFoGswim, you're forgetting about the mid-course-parking-brake 'required' for three trains and only 3,602' of track. ;) Sure the dual-station should eliminate the need for such a brake but will it?

It does say "Elevation change – 263 feet", change implies difference between highest track point and lowest at least in my book. With that much elevation change you could have a upper ride, parking-brake and lower ride section and never see the speed exceed 62mph.

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SFoGswim said:

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kRaXLeRidAh said:

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SFoGswim said:

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40belowbeef said:
From the original specs I was guessing that the total elevation change was going to be the 170 feet...but its actually 263 feet!

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Actually, that would mean the ride would hit about 85 mph... not 62... so the total height elevation changes is 170.

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Uh. No. The lift height/maximum ride is 170-feet above ground, with a 111-foot first drop, thus a 62 mph top speed. The 263-foot elevation change stat is correct because Tatsu is built on a huge mountain, where the highest point on the ride to ground level in the park is 263 feet. Understand?

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Wrong. It's simple physics. If the ride ever goes 263 ft. below it's tallest point (even if it was going 0 mph at that top point), it's going to have to be going at least 80 mph... and that accounts for loss due to friction. The total elevation change is going to be like 160 ft or so... if the ride's maximum speed is 62 mph, that is.

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What is it that you do not understand about that? I thought I explained quite clearly in an understandable form. The ride's lift-height (UP ON THE MOUNTAIN) is 170-feet tall from the top of the track to where the supports are anchored. The first/opening drop is 111-feet. The ride's ELEVATION of 263-feet is the measurement of the coaster's tallest point to the park's GROUND LEVEL. Meaning Tatsu at one point is anchored into a 93-foot high part of the park's mountain. The coaster's 62 mph top speed is probably NOT attained at the bottom of the 111-foot first drop; but most likely at the base of the 124-foot tall pretzel loop.

You know if we were all in a gay bar, most of you would be called SIZE QUEENS! Why not just enjoy the prospect of a new and exciting ride and let it rest?!?!!? I dont think there was this much debate when Kingda Ka was announced last year. Goodness knows Im happy with the idea of Tatsu and wont be splitting hairs over the variation of height vs. drop!

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SFoGswim said:

Wrong. It's simple physics. If the ride ever goes 263 ft. below it's tallest point (even if it was going 0 mph at that top point), it's going to have to be going at least 80 mph... and that accounts for loss due to friction. The total elevation change is going to be like 160 ft or so... if the ride's maximum speed is 62 mph, that is. *** Edited 11/17/2005 10:42:09 PM UTC by SFoGswim***

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The physics apparently aren't all that simple, because this is heinously wrong.

If the ride changes elevation 263', you have no idea what its top speed must be. At all. It could drop ten feet, run in a straight line until it's nearly stopped, drop another ten feet -- rinse, repeat. Never will it hit 80 MPH or whatever.

Coasterhound, I did not need that visual image, thanks! ;)

Ugh, the thought of hundreds of coaster geeks in a gay bar arguing over the size of ANYTHING is enough to ruin my dinner for the night!

Still, you get the awards for most intereting post of the day...;)

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CoasterHound said:
I dont think there was this much debate when Kingda Ka was announced last year.

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Haha, this is tame compared to the isht I had to sift through last year.

OK, I'll try and explain it all out. When a roller coaster goes up a lift hill it gains potential energy. When it drops down a hill, that potential energy is converted into kinetic energy. When it goes back up, the conversion goes the other way and so on. The only time the ride will lose energy is due to friction, which isn't too great on roller coasters.

Moving on. Negelecting friction (and the presence of a mid-course brake (which there is none), at any given height below the top point, the coaster will have the speed: sqrt(2 x [acceleration due to gravity] x [change in height]). All that is in meters, btw. So putting 263' into that equation, you are left with: 88.6 mph. Now, some of that will be lost to friction, but not 26 mph of it (and it would be even more than 88 because it rolls off the chain lift at more than 0 mph).

Either way... all that is true, and is what's going to happen. And I am done.

DWeaver, I hate to burst your bubble, but it would astound you how many of us gay people are coaster enthusiasts. Actually there as heen a loooooong standing rumor that about 1/3 of ACE is made up of gay people. And why not? Most of us dont have any children so we can come and go on coaster trips as we like without any of the petty responsiblities ;) So just think somewhere in the world are a group of us planning to ride Tatsu right next to you and your friends! *EVIL LAUGH* =)

...and in the real world, where we can't ignore friction, it's wholly possible for a roller coaster traveling through an overall change in height of 263' to never reach anything close to 88.6 MPH -- or 80 MPH, even.

To know for certain how fast the ride would be going at such a point, you'd need to know the train's weight and its coefficient of friction (the combination of which can be used to find what is usually called a friction slope on roller coasters) and the linear distance between the ride's highest point and its lowest. That speed can be anything from 0 to 88.6 MPH, as you say.

I did appreciate the pedantic explanation of simplified, high school physics, however.

In any case, I don't mean to get into a dorky math war with you or anything, but physics isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be and it's perfectly plausible for the ride to reach its top speed at some point 263' below its peak and for that top speed to be something other than what it might be if it traversed that height in one fell swoop. *** Edited 11/18/2005 1:02:40 AM UTC by Chernabog***