Six Flags Magic Mountain to reclaim coaster crown in 2010

DantheCoasterman said:
I just don't see how you could count coasters like Twisted Twins or Dueling Dragons as one...

Easy. The attraction is called Dueling Dragons. It's built as a single attraction, albeit with two riding options. I count it as one. Same for Twisted Twins. And Matterhorn. And Lightning Racer. And....

Again, that's just my method. My reasoning is that I don't have to set up any special rules (i.e. "if the two track layouts are more different than the same it counts as two"). My rule applies to relocated coasters too. I didn't count Corkscrew @ Silverwood because I'd already ridden it when it was at Knotts. Same physical coaster. The analogy I always use: if I move to a new office but take my desk chair with me I'm not automatically sitting in a new desk chair in my new office.

Anyway everyone needs to be comfy with their own method of counting. There is no right or wrong method!*

(*mine is truly the only correct way to count)

Mirror Images or Racers count as one for me (unless one is forward and backwards.) Dueling coasters (Lightning Racer, Gwazi, Dueling Dragons, etc.) are two.

I count each individual track as one track on my track record
but I don't count relocated coasters as two, only one. And mobious coasters I count as only one regardless of whether I've ridden both sides. Obviously YMMV. I still need like 8 credits from SFMM and would count both sides of Supes and Colossus (I've ridden one side of each) as two. And I don't count the kiddy coaster that adults can't ride.*

*My way to count is incorrect, but it works for ne :)

I count relocated coasters as two because a different location and environment gives a different experience. I count dueling and racing coasters as two different rides because they offer two different experiences, unless each track is exactly the same experience...

A few years ago, I counted Racer at Kings island as two, because one rode through it's track backwards. If I had only rode the ride as it is today, I would have probably have counted both tracks as one coaster, because they both ride frontwards now, and are a very similar experience.

I would not count a ride like Superman at MM as two different coasters, because both tracks offer the exact same experience.

I've been using the word "experience" a lot in this post. I suppose counting two-tracked coasters has to do if weather or not they are the same experience with both tracks, or if they are different experiences.

Of course, when it comes to personal coaster count, it's up to the person counting. That number shouldn't be some kind of bragging right or anything. I tell non-coaster enthusiasts my coaster count just to give them an idea of how much I love to ride coasters.

When it comes to the park counting how many coasters that they offer, it, once again, is up to the park officials who are making the claim.

Then, of course, Geinness Book of World Records have their own rules about how they count. Then it's up to them how they want to count it as to how they want to display the findings.

It can be slightly different for everyone, and no one is right or wrong.

LostKause said:
I count relocated coasters as two because a different location and environment gives a different experience. I count dueling and racing coasters as two different rides because they offer two different experiences, unless each track is exactly the same experience...

So you count experiences. Why then not count a single-tracked coaster (I'll use Voyage as an example) more than once? During the day, at night, during an event ERT, during the rain, sitting in the front seat, sitting in the back seat, etc...all of those are different experiences on Voyage.

I count relocated coasters moved to another park as 2 as well. I would argue moosh that night, evening, rain, etc you are still at the same park and probably had a pretty similar experience so the coaster is pretty similar. However, go to another park and you have an entirely different experience.

I understand your point. But IMHO you're not counting coasters or tracks. You're counting experiences.

I dont see how you can make a distinction between relocated coasters and clones then, they are the exact same ride in the end.

To me I think X-Flight and Firehawk are as worthy as counting twice as SFGAm's B:TR and SFoT's B:TR.

^Nahh... They are a different, kinda like having 2 different toys. If you have a C-3P0 in your room, and one in the basement - you have 2 C-3P0's!

Likewise, if you have 2 C-3P0's on your dresser, standing very close side by side, you still have 2 C-3P0's!

Personally, I count colossus as 19 credits! One for each train the ride has had ;) And Revolution - lets not go there ;) *just kidding*

: Touchdown said: I dont see how you can make a distinction between relocated coasters and clones then, they are the exact same ride in the end.

Same ride experience in the end, one could argue. They are not physically the same ride. Again, I offer a desk chair analogy: if I order a new desk chair from Office Depot and they send two identical chairs instead of one I cannot claim I only have one chair. Likewise, Batman in Georgia and Batman in Dallas, while offering a similar/same ride experience, are not the same coaster.

If they are, can you explain how one coaster can be in two places at the same time? ;)

EDIT - I'm not saying your method is wrong. Just enjoying the discussion.

^Neither do I think you are wrong.

To me the count is intricately connected to my rank list. The only reason I actually count from time to time is to put up a rank list. Seeing as I rank coasters based on my subjective experience of how much I enjoyed them and not on their physical characteristics it makes sense, since (again going to the X-FireFlight example) I prefer to be soaring over grass, with a forest in the background instead of the cracking decay of an old parking lot and can very easily rank them differently.

Makes sense to me.

Question: what would you do if PKI decided it wanted to move it's Vekoma flyer 50 feet to the north. Same area, same surroundings, new location. Recount or no? And if no, then how far does a ride need to move before you recount it? Certainly the other side of the park would offer a completely different experience, would it not? ;)

So, moosh, do you count a loveseat as one seat or two...and then again if I move it to the other wall?

I don't count couches, loveseats, sectionals, etc. (even though a different experience can be had on each, lol) ;)

That moosh, always going for the innuendo... ;)

Back to the main two discussions, though:

1) I think the roller skater is great for SFMM, and hope more family rides go to that area later. If I can find a cheap flight from Charlotte or Greensboro this fall, I may head out for a 3 or 4 day weekend.

2) I count coasters my way. But the important thing isn't counting what you've ridden, but riding what you've counted ;).

Sub-topic: Coaster count.

Such a goofy conversation, and it only gets goofier and goofier the further along it goes. :p

Hmmm... so if the conversation were between a male and a female, would it still be about sexual orientations?

Well, if the underlying topic was sex...then yes, I'd say so. :)

Holy Crap, it's Clint.

My metric for deciding how to count: "What way will piss someone off the most?"

I count 1st gen intamin freefalls, but not S:TE. :-P (Not really)

I never count woman as being the same......unless they are twins. :)