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-Nate
*** Edited 9/14/2005 9:01:37 PM UTC by coasterdude318***
coasterdude318 said:
That may be so (I found SFStL's operations to be generally good), but your opinions about SFGAm's operations do not match those opinions of other Six Flags operations people...and I'm not talking about simple ride ops.-Nate
*** Edited 9/14/2005 9:01:37 PM UTC by coasterdude318***
Are you one of those Six Flags Operations people (not simple ride ops)? I think someone else said that you shouldn't base your opinions on what you hear from others. That's good advice...maybe you should take it. :)
By saying SFKK has better operations than SFGAm is just "I must be smoking weed" type mentality.
The Louisville park doesn't hold a candle to the Chicago park.
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Chitown said:
You DON'T have to work in the industry to see the "plain as day, in your face", things that go on at parks.By saying SFKK has better operations than SFGAm is just "I must be smoking weed" type mentality.
The Louisville park doesn't hold a candle to the Chicago park.
Were you talking to me? Cause if you were you may be interested to know that I never once stated that SFKK was better than SFGAm. I did say SFStL had better operations, but that was the closest I came to saying a specific park was better than SFGAm. If you weren't talking to me, then you can ignore the previous statements. *** Edited 9/15/2005 4:31:41 AM UTC by Steel158***
Swoosh said:
SFStL has better overall operations, but SFGAm has better overall rides (and variety). It's a give and take thing between those two parks. Thank God theyr'e both on I-55 (sort of).
Thank you Swoosh. I agree 100%. If I had a choice between the two, I would be suckeredinto SFGAm. They have Raging Bull to thank for that, cause its one of the single best rides I have ever been on. :)
But I choose working at StL over GAm any day.
Steel158 said:
Are you one of those Six Flags Operations people (not simple ride ops)? I think someone else said that you shouldn't base your opinions on what you hear from others. That's good advice...maybe you should take it.
You know, surprisingly enough, I have two eyes and a brain, and the ability to think for myself. I know what makes up good (and safe) operations. I know I consistently see those at work at SFGAm.
I don't ever recall seeing unsafe operations at SFGAm, nor SFStL. I do, however, recall visiting SFStL on a busy day when they weren't running rides at capacity, which is something I never see at SFGAm.
-Nate
I never saw a majority of the food stalls closed at SFGAm. And although I thought at the time (and it has been done since my visit) that parts of SFGAm could use some new paint, ALL of SFKK looked worse than anything in Chicago.
Swoosh said:
Have you ever worked at SFStL though? Eek! I'll never make that mistake again.
Eh...I said I would choose it over SFGAm. I have worked there before....it wasn't that great, but we were treated ten times better than we were at Chicago.
Teknoscorpion - I will admit that I have encountered employees at SFKK talking on the cell phone while working a ride. Employees are not allowed to have them in the park, and security does the best they can to keep them from having them. This is a problem with individual employees, not park operations.
I think we are all forgetting one vital factor that may seem to push SFGAm a little farther than SFKK. Money. Let's face it, they are a much bigger park and bring in more money, not to mention SFI is more likely to take care of SFGAm than it is SFKK because it is more popular and brings in a lot more money. I think SFKK has done really well given what it has to work with. Then again, that is my opinion.
Personally, I liked all three parks in question. I'd agree--mind you, based on only one visit--that SFStl probably does the best overall job of keeping things moving. Other than six-foot tall weeds, T2 and a dopey layout, I don't understand all the SFKK hate. Then again, look at their competition. In terms of attractions, curb appeal and customer service...ouch. Okay, maybe I do.
But frankly, a LOT of parks out there would look bad if they were positioned between PKI and HW. Honestly.
-'Playa
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SFKK was, to put it bluntly, a hole the first time I visited (of course it had the misfortune of coming directly after HW). Since then, I went back twice (not since GL though) and noted LOTS of improvements...the park still has capacity and layout *issues* to be sure, but the "hospitality factor" was improved GREATLY...friendliness, cleanlines, etc.
P.S. Incidentally, those are precisely he issues that *I* believe doomed AW. Rides are great and are HIGHLY marketable, but hostitlity and hospitality should NEVER be confused...LOL!
Steel158 said:
Teknoscorpion - I will admit that I have encountered employees at SFKK talking on the cell phone while working a ride...This is a problem with individual employees, not park operations.
If that truly was a problem with individual employees, then you would see that happening at every park occasionally. Instead, SFKK remains the only park I've ever seen employees talking on their phones. It's a problem with management, and a problem with supervision.
I know at other parks ride operators wouldn't dare talk on their cell phones because they value their jobs and know what would happen if they got caught. Those same parks don't need to ban their employees from carrying cell phones because they know their employees won't use them.
I think we are all forgetting one vital factor that may seem to push SFGAm a little farther than SFKK. Money.
I fail to see how that significantly affects operations and customer service, which are my major problems with SFKK.
-Nate
coasterdude318 said:
Steel158 said:
Teknoscorpion - I will admit that I have encountered employees at SFKK talking on the cell phone while working a ride...This is a problem with individual employees, not park operations.If that truly was a problem with individual employees, then you would see that happening at every park occasionally. Instead, SFKK remains the only park I've ever seen employees talking on their phones. It's a problem with management, and a problem with supervision.
I know at other parks ride operators wouldn't dare talk on their cell phones because they value their jobs and know what would happen if they got caught. Those same parks don't need to ban their employees from carrying cell phones because they know their employees won't use them.
I think we are all forgetting one vital factor that may seem to push SFGAm a little farther than SFKK. Money.I fail to see how that significantly affects operations and customer service, which are my major problems with SFKK.
-Nate
Horsecrap. You can't say that out of the millions of other six flags employees in the world, the only park that ever has an employee talking on a cell phone is SFKK, because I sure as hell have seen this go on at other parks, and not just Six Flags parks. All that is is mere bitterness and resentment that you have towards the park after one or two less than average visits you have had at the park. Again...horsecrap.
What I can't understand is that I'm trying to mellow the conversation a bit, by admitting the faults and such, and all you can seem to do is trashtalk it even more to try and stir up more argument. I'm not in anyway saying SFKK is the best park in the world or even saying they are better than all Six Flags parks....I'm defending my home park and claiming it doesn't deserve the treatment it gets. Is there something so wrong with that?
Steel158 said:
Horsecrap. You can't say that out of the millions of other six flags employees in the world, the only park that ever has an employee talking on a cell phone is SFKK
Where did I say that?
What I said was that SFKK is the only park that I personally have ever seen employees chatting on their phones. On top of that, I witnessed other unsafe and inappropriate behavior by ride operators at SFKK that I haven't seen at other parks in the chain.
You claim that's an individual problem. I claim it's a problem with management not properly training and/or supervising their employees. To me, saying "it's an individual employee problem" sounds like an excuse for not trying to fix it.
All that is is mere bitterness and resentment that you have towards the park after one or two less than average visits you have had at the park.
I'm not bitter or resentful. I think SFKK has plenty of potential. I'm not bothered by the many problems people usually complain about (closed food stands, the bridge, poor landscaping, etc).
However, I've visited SFKK with industry people who were *shocked* at the operations we witnessed. It's not just poor customer service, it's downright unsafe operations.
What I can't understand is that I'm trying to mellow the conversation a bit, by admitting the faults and such, and all you can seem to do is trashtalk it even more to try and stir up more argument.
Really? Is calling my opinions "horsecrap" really "trying to mellow the conversation"?
I understand defending your home park. I don't understand telling other people their opinions and observations are wrong because they reflect poorly on the park.
-Nate
Even though it needs so many improvements, I love SFKK just the same, and I hope it continues to be around in one form or another.
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