Should CP's next coaster be wood?
It's funny what you hear when you talk to some of the people that run that park. On one hand, you have people who complain about the giant budget required for maintaining Mean Streak, yet Dick Kinzel wears a leather Ghostrider jacket and raves about it and Timbers.
Unless the Intamin wood system is really that good, and has sales people who are as good, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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I feel that CP should look into a GCI wooden coaster. I feel that this would be the way to go , especially with how smooth a ride Lightning Racer gives, even after three years it still feel brand new. Who knows maybe they might be able to get a dueling coaster or a woodie that will be similar to talon, in the sense that it may not be the biggest, or the fastest but it will definatly be a quality ride. I also think that CP right now would be in a tough decision, to decide who to give the contract too becuase the Gravity Group obviously knows there stuff and built Ghostrider and Shivering timbers, but as of right now GCI has the edge with more projects accredited to them and that have been turning heads recently. I also think that they won't go with Intamin, not becuase they aren't any good, but becuase I think cp has just purchased three intamins, I dont know if they would want to purchase another.
hope this makes sense
Wood Fan
Den said:
Yeah! I won't ride it unless it breaks *AT LEAST* five records! It had *BETTER* be the tallest, fastestl, longest, loopiest wooden coaster with the loudest chain dog and the curviest queue *EVER* *IN* *THE* *WORLD.*
I'm *starting* to *think* you MIGHT be serious there Den....nah!
The *deal* with the new Intamins IS just that they use lam beams instead of conventional framing lumber, right? That was my understanding, anyway...Sure it *should* save a great deal on maintenance, at a higher initial outlay. But I don't think that's really anything *miraculous*. Won't really have anything solid for at least 5-10 years from now. And I'd also guess that if GR spent one winter *up there*, it would need some serious repairs on a routine basis....then what would *DK* wear...;)
CoastaPlaya:
I knew it was a varied mirrored clone of the Coney Island Cyclone, but I've heard (on this site) that it is by far the best of the Cyclone clones.
Den said:
Yeah! I won't ride it unless it breaks *AT LEAST* five records! It had *BETTER* be the tallest, fastestl, longest, loopiest wooden coaster with the loudest chain dog and the curviest queue *EVER* *IN* *THE* *WORLD.*
And CP will certainly NOT get people to ride it unless the wood of the coaster is made out of the finest in the world, and the colors are perfectly matched! If CP even comes close to my standards, I will go on this ride with my arms crossed and evaluate every single turn. And if they DON'T, then CP will be known as the WORST PARK IN THE WORLD! JEEZ. CP can piss me off so much! Them and they're petty Non-recordbreakers. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM??!!
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CoastaPlaya said:
I like PKI a lot, but it still has a half of a cloned inverted coaster, scraps of a standup coaster, an Arrow multilooper they should have torn down instead and woodies that kill way too many trees to deliver half the thrills of a good 70-120 foot CCI.
Both lineups have their strengths and weaknesses. I believe the subject here is 'should CP get more wood', not 'CP lovers and haters.' Thanks for playing.
-CO
I just couldn't resist not to jump in here.....
Half of a cloned inverted coaster? Reffering to Face/Off?
Scraps of a standup coaster that should NOT have been torn down. (Only bad move on PKI's part I've seen in a long time.)
An old Arrow looper, that happens to have incredible airtime, unforgetable corks, and an all around great ride. (My favorite steel)
I agree that some of CCI's woodies mat be better than The Beast and SoB. But PKI's woodies are very special on their own! Intense double helix's, incredible sensations of speed, and a one of a kind loop! Hard to beat IMO.
I agree both lineups have their strengths and weaknesses too. But please, please don't hate on PKI. :)
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Mike (who's well aware that meaningful isn't something most parks looks at - and wants to stress this just a dream)
Hey, I think Adventure Express kicks major booty. And their selection of kiddie coasters and coasters available to shorter kids puts CP to serious, serious shame.
Playette, CBaby and Da Midget would all pick PKI above CP hands down, no question, any day of the week. If I was paying at the gate for both of 'em, I'd have to go PKI too 'cuz I can't get theming at the local park--and then there's the compliementary waterpark.
But that's got nothing to do with the current topic. Well, maybe a little. Once again I'll climb on my soapbox long enough to say CP should build a clone of Zach's Zoomer and step back down. Thank you.
-'Playa
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RollerJunkie, isn't that the truth!
I think it'd be a bit foolish to say CP won't ever build another woodie....
As for the useless PKI v/s CP argument (and I'm gonna indulge in that here), here's just a simple outline of the obvious. Yes, each park has it's own "weakness" (if you want to call it that), but the bottom line is, if you live in Ohio, you are damn lucky to have two superb parks in your backyard.
I: Why people like PKI over CP
1.) CP looper (Corkscrew) not as good as PKI looper (Vortex)
2.) CP woodie (Mean/Blue Streaks) not as good as PKI woodie (Beast)
3.) CP Minetrain (Mine Ride) not as good as PKI Minetrain (Adventure Express)
4.) CP Suspended (Iron Dragon) not as good as PKI Suspended (Top Gun)
5.) CP Complimentary Waterpark (none) obviously not as good as PKI Complimentary Waterpark (thanks, 'Playa for adding to this list).
BUT......
II. Here's why some people like CP over PKI
1.) CP hyper/Giga (Magnum/MF) better than PKI hyper/Giga (none/none)
2.) CP launch (WT) better than PKI launch (FOF) (and that's just my personal opinion, but I really like FOF too)
3.) CP inverted (Raptor) better than PKI inverted (F/O)
4.) CP looping stand up (Mantis) better than PKI looping stand up (former KK)
Sure, you could probably add to the list yourself in more ways than just coasters and waterparks. But bottom line, folks, quit pittin' CP against PKI and PKI against CP.
CP is obviously better! :)
*** This post was edited by ophthodoc on 12/2/2002. ***
*** This post was edited by ophthodoc on 12/2/2002. ***
CoastaPlaya said:
But that's got nothing to do with the current topic. Well, maybe a little. Once again I'll climb on my soapbox long enough to say CP should build a clone of Zach's Zoomer and step back down. Thank you.
AGREED....except we ALL *know* that CP should NEVER *ever* build a (gasp) clone - even a wooden one....(adopts Scotty voice) My goodness Captain, what ARE ya suggestin'....
If anyone fails to appreciate the sarcasm embodied in the previous post....never mind....
What's with all this record hype? Next thing you know it, you people will be talking about the triple racing twisting breaking-everybody-and-their-mama's records giga woodie!
Seriously folks. For CP to have good wood, it doesn't need to be earth-shattering. There are a few disadvanteges of having any good wood at all at CP. An underground tunnel is probably out of the question, and there's no undulating terrain, but they could still come up with a good, modest sized woodie if they wanted to.
Ok, sorry, had to work 12hrs. Yes, I felt that Millie had Violent air in the back, At least my first two rides on it in the rain it did. The other hills were good float at best. Nothing compared to the thigh bruising SFNE S:ROS.
After I made this post, I realized two other parks that could possibly be future prospects for woodies. SFGADV and SFMM.
Chuck, who just thought it was a offseason topic and is demanding nothing because he is a enthusiast.
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I think it is CPs responsibility to put in a nice flyer. Floorless really dont do anything for me. With and without floor, its the same ride. Floorless is just a gimick.
Me, to be truley honest. Any new coaster would be fine as long as it has the CP quality.
who needs a new woodie?!?! just slap some Gerstlauer trains on MS!!!! (ducks and covers) lol :)
seriously, as plausible as it seems, i agree with 'Playa; i doubt CP is lookin at any new wooden coasters for awhile. one of the reasons that they are so popular is for their steel collection....today, what sells to the GP, which is where the money comes from, is tallest, fastest, and what not....and 9 times out of 10, this is achieved in a steel coaster over wood. so dont count on any new woodies for CP for awhile in my opinion....
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Let's see:
CP: Hyper, Giga, mega-woodie, suspended, Standing, inverted, mine train, wooden out and back, Racing, arrow looping, impulse, bobsled, wild mouse type and two kiddie coasters and a soon to be launch coaster. (did i miss any?)
PKI: terrain woodie, hyper-woodie, arrow looper, suspended, launched, wooden out and back/backwards/racer, mine train, suspended boomerang, family figure eight woodie, kiddie coaster, suspended kiddie coaster (two right?)
I know there are other ways to describe/catagorize these rides, but it looks to me that there is more "variety" in types of coasters at CP. And i personally don't think that any of CP's coasters deliver similar rides to each other. Even if five of the coasters were built by arrow they all have significantly different rides. The only two that are even remotly similar rides being Gemini and CC Mine Ride, both of which being built in the Arrow runnaway mine train style. But who thinks of Gemini as a "mine ride"??
That isn't to say that one park has better rides than others, really that is purely subjective. But in an objective manner CP has 15 coasters that are all different styles thus creating the variety.
And a waterpark? Who has time for that when there are coasters to ride?
IMO, if Cedar Point is going to build a woodie, they have 2 choices.
A) - Intamin plug-n-play hyper woodie
B) - TGG (personal preferance) "kiddy" woodie with a ride like Cornball, but still small enough to give the kids adqeuate thrills, and the thrill-seeking parents.
The 2nd choice is much better IMO simply because it could be added into Camp Snoopy or Peanuts Playground while marketing more "kids thrills". If the park were to do some "general improvements" and add this type of ride, I think that it'd definitely attract more families and generally improve the park.... Which would mean happier guests, and more return visitors.
Thats just my thoughts on the subject.
Personally, I'd love to have either!
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*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt on 12/3/2002. ***
If you were going to tell me I could go to Ohio for a week, I would hit all three major parks. I like Kings Island, I like Cedar Point, and I can tolerate World's of Adventure. Does this need to become a VERSUS topic?
JoNoJ27 said:
I knew it was a varied mirrored clone of the Coney Island Cyclone, but I've heard (on this site) that it is by far the best of the Cyclone clones.
Bah...They're either lying to you, or they haven't been to Atlanta.
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