shirtless in parks-how do you feel
I didnt say I wanted to do everything I want, I just want to go shirtless without being harassed by some self absorbed pinhead who works at the park.
I have a few problems with this statement.
1) Being asked nicely to put on a shirt is not harassment.
2) Just because a person asks you to put on a shirt they are self absorbed pinheads? Chances are they were told to tell people to put on shirts, and if they did not could pay consequences(i.e. steps towards firing). I say that is the exact opposite of being a pinhead. I say that it is being smart to do what your boss tells you.
Please get in the real world. Just because a person who works at the park asks you to put on a shirt, it really does not mean that they are doing it for personal reasons.
Also to the rest of us who are not Mike, I think we can talk to him to try to talk sense into him until we are blue in the face, but will never convince him to change his opinion. Which really makes me wonder why he started this thread to begin with. Did he want to gather opinions or pick fights?
Mike, claiming you dont sweat is not true. Everyone sweats, you just arent aware of it.
I just meant that I dont usually sweat alot where it would be a problem if I went on a ride. Of course I DO sweat but just not as much as some people.
You claim you use sunscreen, do you reapply it every 3 hours (which you are supposed to do when any sweating is involved?)
I do if I have the opportunity. Ive found that when I used to get sunburned more than I do now no matter how much of the crud I put on I still got sunburned really good.
If you dont then you are exposing your back and stomach (where you skin is considerably thinner, especially around the stomach area if at anytime in your life you were overweight, to UV radiation and sun dammage.
Thats my problem to deal with, what does that this have to do with me being able to go shirtless on a ride or not? Its not the parks business weither I get suburned or not, if I chose to take off my shirt and I get sunburned because of it then its my problem to deal with. I cant expect them to be liable for my ignorance.
Im blessed with skin that quickly tans when exposed to sun, but just because you arent "pasty" doesnt mean that you are natuarlly protected against UV radiation.
Im protected enough, that and using sunscreen does the trick most of the time now. I dont really care if I get sunburned or not, I just wanna go shirtless.
Pigmentation does not protect you because your body needs a moderate amount of UV radiation in order to make Vitamin D it has never developed a protection to UV radiation other then the "let affected skin cells kill themselves and then have some new ones proliferate" model.
If im wearing a shirt then I cant get as much Vitamin D as I should be getting.
Everytime you expose yourself to that radiation you roll the dice and make yourself more likely to develop melenoma (which by the way is most likely to develop on your back) one of the most deadly cancers we can develop.
What fun is life without a bit of risk? You cant go through life without some level of risk. Thats the risk I take when I remove my shirt and I acknowledge that when I do so, that should be enough for anyone. Just because I 'might" get melenoma isnt a good enough reason for people to expect me to wear a shirt.
There is a reason that most cultures living in strong sun environments developed tradtional clothes that covered nearly their entire body
Then why do some people who live in tropical climates go around with almost nothing on all the time? Its not like theyre all being stricken with melenomia and dying. They dont have sunscreen so obviously they protect themselves somehow. I think this is just another example of how the cancer/sunscreen/clothing crowd are trying to scare people by making a bigger issue out of this whole thing than there is just so make money. Sure there is some truth to what they say and such things can happen but I find it hard to beleive that its as bad as alot of these people claim it to be.
, and to walk around shirtless, without applying sunscreen every 3 hours and making sure someone else does your back (since you cant reach all of it yourself) on a more consistant basis (which appperently you do) is frankly a dangerous and stupid thing to do.
Maybe so but thats my choice and if I chose to do something stupid then I get whatever is coming to me.
The other thing I dont understand is how you cant comprened that bareback men disgust some people.
I dont see any reason why they should find bareback men disgusting. Its not natural or healthy to feel that way about people. The people who dont like seeing such things need to learn how to deal with their own prejudices and not blame the bareback man for it. The bareback man did nothing wrong except go about his business the way nature intended.
Our society may tollerate such behavior at a pool, but I know enough people who are disgusted by the behavior anywhere else and also some people (including myself) that question your thought process when I see without a shirt outside of a pool.
Then that is a problem with you and society and not something that is wrong with me. I did not tell you/make you to feel this way. People need to learn to let go of these unnatural prejudices that society has placed on people and conditioned them to feel. They can only do harm.
The parks, in an effort to please the pluarlity have decided to ban that behavoir from their park
That just continues to fuel the hatred and prejudice because the parks just give in to the unnatural feelings of these people. If these parks would just stand up for what they beleive in instead of just trying to conform and fit in and blindly agree with these people then maybe theyd get people's attitudes to change. Someobody has to say enough is enough and stop this vicious cycle of hatred.
, which they have a right to do
They may have a right to do it but that doesnt mean its the correct thing to do. Just because something is legal doesnt make it a good thing to do.
and is not discrimination since it does not affect an unchangeable (ie race or sex) aspect of you
It does go against everything I beleive in though and its just as bad as telling some person who wears clothes that their beleif tells them to wear that they cant come in unless they wear something else.
, and causing you to wear a shirt does you no physical or long standing psychological (being upset doesnt count) trama.
How do you know? I dont really think just being "upset" describes how I really feel.
My personal feelings on the matter are simple: There seems to be a lot of white trash at the parks, and there's nothing worse than shirtless white trash.
Yeah and im sure that "white trash" doesnt want someone like you coming into a park with them and spreading that sort of racist comment around. If you cant learn to deal with people and things that are different then you shouldnt come outside of your house.
It also doesn't fit with the 'wholesome, family type atmosphere' (whatever that is) that parks are going for.
Maybe they need to learn to be more tolerant and have a more understanding atmosphere at their park instead of trying to impose a particular religious oreinted atmosphere on everybody. Not everybody beleives in that whole "wholesome family atmosphere" nonsense. A park can allow shirtless people and still maintain some semblance of order and keep things family friendly and civil.
Just as one is expected to wear clothing at a public place, so should one wear clothing in an amusement park.
In almost any "public" place that isnt private property, men *and sometimes women* can go shirtless and all hell doesnt break loose. If they can do that there, they certainly can do it in an amusement park.
In the immortal words of Taco Bell...
No shirt, no shoes, no service!!!!!
:P DOH! Thats why I go to Dell Taco! :)
1) Being asked nicely to put on a shirt is not harassment.
Well they dont always ask "nicely". Yes it IS harassment because im being bullied by people to conform needlessly when I am doing nothing wrong. Thats harassment.
2) Just because a person asks you to put on a shirt they are self absorbed pinheads? Chances are they were told to tell people to put on shirts, and if they did not could pay consequences(i.e. steps towards firing). I say that is the exact opposite of being a pinhead. I say that it is being smart to do what your boss tells you.
Alot of them do it because they themselves dont like shirtless people and want to exercise their authority. Some of these people actually agree with their bosses and the rest just dont have the guts to stand up and say these things are wrong. If being fired is the only way to ensure innocent people dont get bullied by some oppressive business then so be it.
Please get in the real world. Just because a person who works at the park asks you to put on a shirt, it really does not mean that they are doing it for personal reasons.
The way they react to me being shirtless and bully me into putting on a shirt pretty much tells me that theres something personal about what theyre doing. Im sure their boss didnt tell them to treat customer this way.
Also to the rest of us who are not Mike, I think we can talk to him to try to talk sense into him until we are blue in the face, but will never convince him to change his opinion. Which really makes me wonder why he started this thread to begin with. Did he want to gather opinions or pick fights?
I wanted to see what people's opinions were and I was hoping I could enlighten some people to the real issue here.
All i have to say is if they require guys to keep their shirts on for the family atmosphere then please have these women cover up their stomachs that just hang out. I dont know who started that fashion statement but it is horrible. If its hot ok no problem but if the parks say guys have to put on shirts then women who have love handles wider than their hips but feel its ok to wear a shirt and pull down their pants that shows everyone that need to look appropriate as well.
If the woman has a shirt on, thats all that matters to the park. If you dont like it, stay at home and hide in your little box.
Anyways, why does society have to be tollerant of you and your wims but you dont have to do like wise towards society. At some point you have to tollerate society's norms or get out of the society. Honestly how difficult is it for you to put on a shirt? If its not sweat, and there are lightweight loose shirts so it cant be you feeling constricted, and you claim its not a showing off thing, whats left besides just wanting to be disagreeable? *** Edited 5/28/2006 4:10:08 AM UTC by Touchdown***
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Well they dont always ask "nicely". Yes it IS harassment because im being bullied by people to conform needlessly when I am doing nothing wrong. Thats harassment.
When I have been to parks, I have always heard them ask nicely and never heard such "bullying". Perhaps because you were upset, you took what they were saying and magnified it a few times.
Alot of them do it because they themselves dont like shirtless people and want to exercise their authority. Some of these people actually agree with their bosses and the rest just dont have the guts to stand up and say these things are wrong. If being fired is the only way to ensure innocent people dont get bullied by some oppressive business then so be it.
No they do it because they like their jobs ;) and would like to keep them. And you use many harsh words such as "oppressive", "discrimination", and "self-absorbed pinheads" that really blow this issue way out of proportion to what really matters. Does it really bother you so much that you cannot have a good day while wearing a shirt? If so, then you live a very sad life. Focus on bigger issues and let the little ones slide. Ok so maybe this is a littler issue to me than it is to you, but there has got to be something more important that you can spend your energy on than counteracting with the same responses that really are unjustifiable and vague.
How nice of you to request someone to give up their job to indulge your childish, immature whinings! Tell you what, Mikey, you go to as many parks as you want, and you find one person, one single person, willing to quit because they feel sympathy for your cause. I'm sure lots of them think you're being oppressed by "THE MAN."
Mike131 said:
I think most theme parks should allow guests to come shirtless or wearing any clothes they wish as long as their genitals are covered.
Yeah, I'm just going to show up to the park with one well placed tube sock, ala the Red Hot Chilli Peppers ;)
Anyway, according to all the "logic" being used in this thread and the above statement, I should be able to wear a shirt that is covered with profanities, racial slurs, sexist comments, offensive religous comments, gay jokes, and pictures of little baby bunnies being killed. It's my right of free speech, right? They'd be discriminating against me, right? And the middle management guy who would be kicking me out of the park is wrong to follow his boss' orders because he has the same T-Shirt at home, but is too afriad to lose his job, right?
FUNNIEST THREAD EVER! :) (Why did I not click on this sooner...it's like arguing with CPNUT about pancakes, just a little less sad perhaps)
Why? Because the last thing I want to do is brush up against a little man-skin. Those lines are sometimes tight & close-together, sometimes one bumps another. I don't want to go bumping into another guy's hairy and/or sweaty shirtless back (or worse... front). When you're standing in one place moving maybe a couple feet per minute & there's no wind, you're bound to smell that guy next to you who decides he's too sexy for his shirt.
Then on the ride itself, I EXPECT on all dry rides all riders to be wearing shirts.
If not, it's the SAME THING as if you went to the bathroom and didn't bother washing your hands. You're infecting other guests. Why be so arrogant & care only about yourself? If you think of others & those around you, you'll be a much happier individual... AND others will respect you that much more and you'll get a lot further in life than thinking the whole world should revolve around you.
Hey Mike131 I just bought a shirt that says AIDS CURES FAGS in big bold letters on the front of my shirt, do you think I should wear it to SFGAdv this weekend?
If a good looking female of college age or older wants to go topless, then by golly I won't be one to make her cover up.
I have seen it in the Keys, South Beach, Vegas, and after many ocean waves. Doesn't bother me a bit.
Sunburn is not caused by UV radiation, thats caused by good old natural light and infrared (which is why inside tanning booths which has more UV light and less natural light give a different tan.) UV radiation actually damages your DNA, it litterally breaks apart the double helix and severs chains. When your body tries to fix this, it sometimes screws up, if that gene is an important one that affects the cellular life cycle and this altered gene releases the cell from the inhibitions of the life cycle, boom you have a cancer cell.
I dont most people take the time to really care about alot of this scientific mumbo jumbo, besides if people wanna damage their cells and give themselves cancer then hey thats their choice and they have a right to make that choice when they take their shirts off and its not the job of society to decide this for them. Thats why its a free country and people were given freedom of choice.
These affects can take years (20-30) to show up so its not instantanous like sunburn (allthough a sunburn does increase your risk since it kills and stips you of layers of dead skin that somewhat protect your inner cells from UV.)
Most people wanna just enjoy themselves and not fret about what "might" happen 20-30 years down the line, thats gonna come soon enough. People who spend their whole young lives worrying about such things find out later that theyve missed out on alot of good things in life.
Anyways, why does society have to be tollerant of you and your wims but you dont have to do like wise towards society.
I just want to go places and be comfortable as nature intended and exercise my legal right to go shirtless, whereas society wants me to conform simply because it has some personal prejudice against shirtless people and wants me to put on a shirt simply so it doesnt have to learn to be more tolerant. I think what im asking is alot more reasonable than what society wants me to do.
At some point you have to tollerate society's norms or get out of the society.
Then the society would win and it would continue to deny people their freedoms. If you dont like something society does, you stand up and do something about it and dont let a bunch of intolerant people push you around.
Honestly how difficult is it for you to put on a shirt?
How difficult is it for you to simply be tolerant and give me my space and leave me alone and let me enjoy myself?
If its not sweat, and there are lightweight loose shirts so it cant be you feeling constricted, and you claim its not a showing off thing, whats left besides just wanting to be disagreeable?
Its just the fact that the shirt is still there on me and I feel the weight of it on the inside of it being there when it doesnt need to be and I feel insulted because I cant simply be treated the same as any other man at a park unless I wear a shirt, its degrading. I feel burdened by having to wear a shirt just to conform and make a bunch of intolerant people happy.
When I have been to parks, I have always heard them ask nicely and never heard such "bullying". Perhaps because you were upset, you took what they were saying and magnified it a few times.
Maybe you were just lucky. Even if they areint being mean to me, thats not the point, they're still bullying me but telling me to put on a shirt in order to be treated normal like all the other shirtless guys in the park. I mean does it somehow make me less of a man just because I dont happen to have a shirt on?
No they do it because they like their jobs and would like to keep them.
Its not like if they couldnt work there that they couldnt find a job that is more friendly to its customers. I wouldnt want to work at a place where I knew that they were intolerant to their customers no matter how much they paid, its not worth it.
And you use many harsh words such as "oppressive", "discrimination", and "self-absorbed pinheads" that really blow this issue way out of proportion to what really matters.
Well these people ARE being oppressive and discriminating and they are self absorbed, so thats just what I call them. Im just stating the truth. What do you think really matters? That I just put on my shirt and put a smile on my face and act all happy and pretend like im okay with what im being asked to do besides the fact that my freedoms are being infringed upon and im being insulted?
Does it really bother you so much that you cannot have a good day while wearing a shirt? If so, then you live a very sad life.
I think the people who waste all their manpower at a park just to ensure that some guest wears their shirt is living a sad life. Thats what is really sad.
Focus on bigger issues and let the little ones slide.
What makes you think this isnt a big issue for me? I could probably say the same for the parks considering they probably have much bigger issues to deal with on their plate than lil ol me being shirtless. I think its a sad waste of resources. No wonder you cant find a park employee to help you when you really need one cuz theyre wastin time forcing some poor boy or man to put his shirt on instead of being there to help you with a real issue.
Ok so maybe this is a littler issue to me than it is to you, but there has got to be something more important that you can spend your energy on than counteracting with the same responses that really are unjustifiable and vague.
Maybe if I was able to deal with this issue then id be able to devote more of my energy to other things.
How nice of you to request someone to give up their job to indulge your childish, immature whinings!
No id want them to give up their jobs so they wouldnt be forced to enforce rules on guests for a corrupt them park. They could work better places that are more tolerant of their guests which wouldnt ask their employees to do anything immoral.
Tell you what, Mikey, you go to as many parks as you want, and you find one person, one single person, willing to quit because they feel sympathy for your cause. I'm sure lots of them think you're being oppressed by "THE MAN."
There's more to everything in this life besides just money. If people feel they have no choice but to work for a corrupt organization just to make a buck then thats pretty sad.
Anyway, according to all the "logic" being used in this thread and the above statement, I should be able to wear a shirt that is covered with profanities, racial slurs, sexist comments, offensive religous comments, gay jokes, and pictures of little baby bunnies being killed. It's my right of free speech, right? They'd be discriminating against me, right? And the middle management guy who would be kicking me out of the park is wrong to follow his boss' orders because he has the same T-Shirt at home, but is too afriad to lose his job, right?
Yeah if you wanted to wear those things to the park even though I beleive itd be a bad choice, I still feel you should be able to do it since it would be your choice to do it.
All I can really say about this is that I really don't mind shirtless guys walking around the midway... but as soon as they get in the queue line and especially a ride, I expect that shirt on.
I dont see why that should make any difference.
Why? Because the last thing I want to do is brush up against a little man-skin. Those lines are sometimes tight & close-together, sometimes one bumps another.
A lil skin bumping isnt gonna hurt you.
I don't want to go bumping into another guy's hairy and/or sweaty shirtless back (or worse... front). When you're standing in one place moving maybe a couple feet per minute & there's no wind, you're bound to smell that guy next to you who decides he's too sexy for his shirt.
So put a closepin on your nose.
Then on the ride itself, I EXPECT on all dry rides all riders to be wearing shirts.
Why just so you dont have to be exposed to a lil bit of sweat?
If not, it's the SAME THING as if you went to the bathroom and didn't bother washing your hands.
A person's sweaty back isnt as dirty as someone's hands after they use the bathroom.
You're infecting other guests. Why be so arrogant & care only about yourself?
If they are that vulnerable to getting sick or dying then they really have no business being outside and should go see their doctor.
If you think of others & those around you, you'll be a much happier individual... AND others will respect you that much more and you'll get a lot further in life than thinking the whole world should revolve around you.
I would think of them a bit more if they werent being so intolerant.
Hey Mike131 I just bought a shirt that says AIDS CURES FAGS in big bold letters on the front of my shirt, do you think I should wear it to SFGAdv this weekend?
Sure, I beleive its your choice to do that, you might look like a fool but hey go ahead.
If a good looking female of college age or older wants to go topless, then by golly I won't be one to make her cover up.
Why must a person "look good" in order to have the freedom to go shirtless?
NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*** Edited 5/28/2006 11:36:30 PM UTC by Hamster Boy***
Mike131 said:
Anyway, according to all the "logic" being used in this thread and the above statement, I should be able to wear a shirt that is covered with profanities, racial slurs, sexist comments, offensive religous comments, gay jokes, and pictures of little baby bunnies being killed. It's my right of free speech, right? They'd be discriminating against me, right? And the middle management guy who would be kicking me out of the park is wrong to follow his boss' orders because he has the same T-Shirt at home, but is too afriad to lose his job, right?
Yeah if you wanted to wear those things to the park even though I beleive itd be a bad choice, I still feel you should be able to do it since it would be your choice to do it.
Hey Mike131 I just bought a shirt that says AIDS CURES FAGS in big bold letters on the front of my shirt, do you think I should wear it to SFGAdv this weekend?
Sure, I beleive its your choice to do that, you might look like a fool but hey go ahead.
There we go kids...I think that sums it up all right there. He thinks people should be able to wear anything or do anything we want.....rules don't apply. And no one should be able to stop us.
Good luck trying to get through life or finding a career with that attitude!
And I think now I'm done beating the dead horse :)
Peabody said:
And I think now I'm done beating the dead horse :)
Ditto, heres my last post on this thread:
Mike, if you really push this at a park they are going to throw you out, and if you think your rights are being violated by all means go to court but you better choose not to wear a shirt when appearing before the judge otherwise youll just be a hippocrit.
Also with regards to the whole "your body" thing, why dont you do society a favor and put a hole in your skull so we dont have to contribute to your medical bills when you get skin cancer.
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Can I ask, where exactly do you draw the line on guest behavior, and what exactly qualifies you to make that judgment call better than virtually every other major park operator in the world?
Humor me dude.
You have a " I can care less about what everyone else thinks" attitude.
You want everyone to care about what YOU feel are bad and pointless rules, but you dont give a rats ass what the other 99% of other people think are great rules that have been put in place for obvius(sp) reasons.
Why dont we just let people shoot up drugs in the park if its not bothering anyone else? Hell we can even let them piss in the bushes and behind buildings. Why not, its not bothering people right? Rules are put in place for a reason, they dont just make these rules up to make YOU madd Mike.
It reminds me of the brady bunch.....marsha,marsa,marsha.
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Closed topic.
