Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

HeyIsntThatRob? said:

...because of how contagious we are being told this is.

I have to take exception with this. What possible reason would anyone, anywhere have to tell you anything other than the reality? The R0, combined with the latency of symptoms and fatality rate combine for a staggeringly bad outcome. And worse, skepticism in light of what's happening in Italy, with France and Spain not far behind, is like getting kicked in the nuts and pretending you didn't feel it. We can see the future because it's already playing out overseas. We have the gift of lead time.

Honestly, I think you just want to fight, Jeff. Let's take this outside...

In all seriousness, slip of the keyboard. That statement wasn't meant to imply that I don't buy into the contagiousness of this. I'm taking my own precautions.

And RCMAC... what is this Flattening of the Curve are you referring to? Will this work on my belly?

DeWine is taking a very aggressive approach. Definitely one that isn't rooted in politics. From all appearances it appears to be based on guidance of doctors/scientists with little else getting in the way or spinning it. Do what you think is right rather than popular. Unknown is that if matters get worse too quickly, it becomes too late to step up the efforts.

In terms of toilet paper, apparently people are calling the police because they have run out:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/us/newport-911-toilet-paper-trnd/index.html

The virus doesn't care what you "buy into," FYI.

Here's a pretty solid and discreet summary of the science, and why it's necessary now to be aggressive:

https://www.howardluksmd.com/sports-medicine/covid-19-update-3-14-2...ans-unite/

Jeff, you just took two words from a post of 100 words and laser focused on it. Those two words are 'buy into.' And then proceed to post a link showing how I'm wrong to use those words.

This kind of sh@t needs to stop. There's no way that we can discuss anything and I don't me 'we' you and me, I mean 'we' as a people. I've been seeing this everywhere and in times where we discuss fun things like amusement parks and roller coasters it makes the discussion kind of suck.

If you really want to be right in your arguments, fine you win. Have a trophy...

I'm at fault because you say something other than what you mean? I'm not interested in being right, I'm interested in challenging your skepticism.

Jeff - I appreciate your effort to spread the news. I do find it fascinating how you went from "I am not cancelling the cruise" to "cancel everything" in about 20 days. That is worth a case study in itself.

Yeah, and my frustration about that is, why wasn't the real science and risk available to me much sooner? I had to figure it out for myself, and others still aren't convinced. They were slow in getting there, but it was the more reputable sectors of the press that are showing the leadership thus far.

Strange times indeed.

Eh, I disagree. I think the information was out there but maybe not relevant to the average Joe, so not really widespread. It doesn't help that Chester Cheetah said it wasn't a big deal and that it was being handled perfectly. More people were listening to him that the doctors standing behind him.

FWIW, here in Santa Clara County (San Jose, CA) we have just been given a "shelter in place" notice effective midnight. "Essential" services are exempt and there are quite a few, and you are allow to go outside for a walk, but other than that, you're pretty much just supposed to stay inside your residence.

Bakeman31092 said:

I think the same thing is happening here. Most people (or at least many people) weren't compelled to buy enough bathroom tissue to TP the Amazon rain forest, but once a few individuals start doing it, it's hard to resist stocking up yourself.

Did that egg scenario actually happen? Smiling but feeling your pain, as at the annual one we go to locally there is always some douche-bag parent being "sneaky" and trying to line their kid's basket.

But yea, that more or less explains it. And then it comes full circle when you actually do need toilet paper (the situation I found myself in today), and I'm looking like the douche-bag hoarding toilet paper because I'm buying a frickin' case of it for the first time in my life...because it's the only option left within a 100 mile radius.

Lord Gonchar said:

2. Is there some degree of or condition known as hyper-internal locus-of-control? Because I think I may be afflicted.

Extra credit question: Can I punch external locus-of-control people in their stupid faces?

I'm skipping question 1 for now because I can't access the article I want from home, and I have to work from home because we have all been banished from campus, and I don't want to make something up, even though I'm pretty sure I know.

But yes; in fact both extremes are considered "less than ideal" (to put it nicely). The sweet spot is supposedly balanced, but tipped moderately towards internal. If it's tipped too far internal you start caring more about things like daily life disruptions more than your elderly neighbor dying and crazy crap like that. ;) (winky implied)

And yes. Punch away. And when they hit the ground you can tell them it wasn't you or them, it was fate...and there was nothing that could be done about it anyway.

OHIO EDIT: We were told today that voting (which is supposed to be tomorrow) is now pushed until June 2nd. Our local school is currently in a crazy levy fight, and the outcome (which is going to be razor-thin-close) will probably determine whether or not we stay where we are or start looking at other districts.

Hmm. Difficult to see. Always in motion, the future is.

Mulfinator said:

Eh, I disagree. I think the information was out there but maybe not relevant to the average Joe...

Or we are numb to sensationalism. I blame the weather channel. They have to generate viewers so every storm is now billed as the biggest thing ever. If you hear that 10 times and the storms are not the biggest thing ever, you start to get the boy who cried wolf. Sure seems to be the case here. Before I knew who the guy was that was leading the charge I asked my wife if he used to work with Jim Cantore on the Weather Channel.

OhioStater said:
If it's tipped too far internal you start caring more about things like daily life disruptions more than your elderly neighbor dying and crazy crap like that. ;) (winky implied)

Not only that, but I'm convinced I can just will myself to stay healthy and am completely annoyed that others can't (or don't) do the same.

Jeff said:

why wasn't the real science and risk available to me much sooner?

I think a little bit of it is that we didn't get good numbers until S. Korea had some experience. I don't know that anyone trusted China's numbers as they tried to hide it in the beginning, and no one else was testing as broadly AFAIK.

OHIO EDIT 2.0: Because I know Ohio is where all of your hearts really are. In our reality of social distancing and self-quarantine, something surprising just happened; a judge just rejected the governor's request to delay voting until June 2nd so voting will commence tomorrow as planned.

The ramifications are entirely unpredictable, especially since CNN was reporting the incorrect decision until 7:45, and unless you are plugged in, you are likely confused.

Not to mention everyone just assumed that Dewine's (the governor) idea would just go through.

In the primary, I'm not sure it matters that much.

You know, Washington solved the problem years ago. Almost all of the voting is by mail. In Florida it's opt-in, but in seven years I've never had to go to a polling station.

At this point I honestly don't care much about the presidential primary, it's our local issues. We have really important votes on our local school levy, our park system, and our library; all 3 of which are going to be very close (all three were rejected in the Fall).

In other words, our town is voting on whether or not we might be relocating/rethinking the Meyer homestead.

We could have voted by mail or in-person early, of course...but I actually enjoy going to the polling station (the most we've ever waited is about 3 minutes). If only I had predicted the future.

Yeah, we have a couple of pretty important local issues on the ballot. I had also previously seen the delay reported as a done deal.

Also, this is that inconsistency thing that I just have a hard time with.

"Everyone needs to keep away from each other, except when they don't."

So we've decided voting is more important than social distancing. The slider just moved a little away from the disruption side.

In this case though it's not inconsistency by way of confusion or incompetence or reactionary leadership. The judge is just looking at the law as it's written, because that's their charge. I can't think of any reason an Ohio law would be written to accommodate a natural disaster.

And the drama continues...

https://www.10tv.com/article/dewine-ohio-department-health-will-order-polls-closed-tuesday-health-emergency-2020-mar?fbclid=IwAR0X_kvlHxqnswC6299dSX-eS5VbCFmzm-ZKYwb2-fZg_rPwh36nTronO_Q

The Ohio Department of Health (via Dewine) is declaring a health emergency to close the polls.