Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

wahoo skipper said:

Whether you think the TSA is a joke or not, the fact of the matter is that there have been no significant terrorist incidents on planes in the US since 2001 and the traveling public's confidence in flying was pretty strong prior to this pandemic.

No significant terrorist activity is not due to TSA, it's due to no significant terrorist activity. This was the whole point of me selling you tiger repellent. You should reach out to me, I see you would be a perfect candidate.

So, it's not that hard to take temperatures without contact, but I also don't see what the point would be. There's a jillion reasons to have a temperature and corona virus can be transmitted without a temperature. I understand the desire to get the parks back open. Rescheduling our cancelled trip to Disneyland is one of the motivators that keeps me going during this awful time, but I just don't see it being safe until there's some pervasive herd-level solution.

Iger actually just laid it out explicitly (italics added):

“One of the things that we’re discussing already is that in order to return to some semblance of normal, people will have to feel comfortable that they’re safe,”

Ah yes, just like everything else at Disney...create that illusion.

So why not also kick out anyone who coughs, sneezes, feels short of breath, has pink-eye, loses their sense of taste or smell, feels generally weak, sore, etc...

Temperature Theater, indeed. In fact, this is even dumber than metal detectors at theme parks. And if temperature checks make you "feel safe", you're too ignorant to know why it shouldn't. Since when did the way China handles its human relations become a role-model?

How about a nice anal cavity search to get into Cedar Point? We can check for the fever and weapons at the same time. #Anentrancelikenoother

Depends on who is doing said anal cavity check...

I don't know if I'd call the metal detectors at Disney "theater." They catch an awful lot of people trying to bring guns into the park.

Tekwardo said:

Depends on who is doing said anal cavity check...

I suppose you could just have everyone go down the speed slides in CP Shores.

Jeff said:

I don't know if I'd call the metal detectors at Disney "theater." They catch an awful lot of people trying to bring guns into the park.

Which is good because they don't allow guns, but it says nothing about potential threat to other guests.

In fact, I can pretty much guarantee someone actively looking to do harm isn't taking a gun through the metal detectors.

Looking to move beyond getting way too pedantic about the unplanned danger of one having a firearm on themself at an amusement park (where I undoubtedly expect the next line of the conversation to go), I'm hoping to sidetrack a bit and ask if there's a cold, hard number on that?

How many guns do they catch at the gate?

That’s a good question. The TSA likes to post pictures in the security lines of the ones they’re able to catch.

It's Disney, and they don't like to share such things. But it makes it into the blotter pretty frequently.

I'm not sure how you conclude no one is intending to do harm. I mean, the guy who shot up Pulse actively surveiled the theme park entrances, so I would conclude the opposite. It's not unreasonable to conclude it could have been Disney.

Whether it's guns or other health threats, ultimately you're looking at ways to reduce risk, and how that balances against inconvenience. I don't find screening at Disney to be remotely inconvenient.

He did? I thought he checked out the House of Blues at Disney Springs (that's not exactly Disney), and got scared off by a police presence.

I've never read/heard anything about him being scared off by metal detectors at Disney World. But I digress...that was horrific, and I'm not a local to the Florida scene, so I can't pretend to know more than I know.

But back to the point...there can not be any logical argument that taking temperatures of guests is by any means a logical or scientifically-based deterrent to keep anyone safer from anything. It's meaningless.

I don't care if something meaningful makes my life a little less convenient. I'm literally living that every day, and singing the praises of Dewine (gulp).

So I will just leave this here. Next up robot ride-ops.

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1248094262685626368?s=21

The shooter went to Disney Springs the same night, with weapons, but had been to the parks in the weeks prior. He had been in Magic Kingdom alone the weekend before. With cell phone history, they were able to find him on security footage pretty easily.

Lord Gonchar said:

Jeff said:

I don't know if I'd call the metal detectors at Disney "theater." They catch an awful lot of people trying to bring guns into the park.

Which is good because they don't allow guns, but it says nothing about potential threat to other guests.

In fact, I can pretty much guarantee someone actively looking to do harm isn't taking a gun through the metal detectors.

For what it's worth, and posting on here might close up the gap. But there have been many times at Disney when the security line gets very long, I just walk around the side of the checkpoint and no one bats an eye or stops me.

If I was looking to inflict damage to the GP in the park, it would be extremely easy to circumvent the current security measures and bring anything I wanted into the park. So yes, it is absolutely security theater. I'm sure they catch a ton of contraband through the checkpoint, but I would be surprised if anything they find is on a person who was there to inflict harm with it. I'm guessing many of them are concealed carries who think they can bring it in with them, or forgot it was on their person, things like that.

Forget you are packing heat?

With the security screening at amusement parks, I fully agree that it won't stop anyone actively looking to do harm. However, what they do have could help keep a bad situation from escalating.

As far as temperature checks go, I really don't see what good they would do. People are (typically) contagious and asymptomatic for almost a week. Checking the temperature of people as they go in would pretty much stop the people that probably wouldn't go anyway.

The intention is never to "stop" anything, it's to reduce risk. Any idiot could walk into the entrance area of a park or an airport and do a lot of harm. It's also a strawman to suggest that you "could" do something when it's not your intent. The psychology is completely different.

It appears that Stanford Medicine is studying something I asked many pages ago. There is some possibility that the virus was in California last fall, many were exposed to it, herd immunity developed and is the explanation for the lower number of cases than forecasted.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241855856.html

Cargo Shorts said:

Forget you are packing heat?

If in a purse or a bag why not? Spend enough time in Florida and you will see how common concealed carries are. If my routine doesn't include putting it on my person, than I could easily forget that I have it with me.

That Bee reporting isn't exactly accurate... the study doesn't intend to prove correlation between lower infection rates and potential earlier exposure as a way to explain a different outcome than New York. There are too many other variables to do so, not the least of which is that population density at its highest in California is still way lower than most all of NYC.

If the virus did appear sooner, it sure will be interesting to understand why it didn't kill a bunch of people and spread quickly.

If it was in CA why did it not spread?

Viruses don’t respect borders-Jeff