Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

San Francisco is more comparable in density to NYC then LA. Run your own statistic there. But yeah, that too.

San Francisco shows 18,939 people per square mile. I figured LA was the dense area, not really familiar with all the various cities in CA. Good catch.

The founders of this country would have made you a pariah for a statement like this, or hanged you, not sure which. If you want to live by giving up your freedoms, the freedoms that people in our military die to protect, you can pick up and head out.

But if one acknowledges both the problem is real and serious and the whole vaccine or viral drug solution is a crap shoot with an undetermined timetable: the only viable solution to reopen the world becomes a trace model.

Unless you want to just live like this! Seems more freedoms are compromised right now.

Plus being shut down is not sustainably viable for our economy in the long term (just as the previous argument made here that neither is letting the curve naturally ride which besides a lot more death would cause both the collapse of our health care AND economy)

The problem with accepting loss of freedoms is that it will never go back. Look at what happened after 9/11, everything that was sold as a stopgap or temporary measure just became the new normal.

The biggest change in my life right now is that I cannot go out to eat. I have continued just about every other routine in my daily life unimpeded by all of this. I still go to work, to the grocery store, I just can't participate in recreational time outside of few activities because everyone is in panic mode.

Honestly, the whole taking my temperature before entering a park is stupid, we have already established that people can carry this with no symptoms, and also that they are infectious often times before symptoms show up. What exactly are you accomplishing by doing this?

TheMillenniumRider said:

The founders of this country would have made you a pariah for a statement like this, or hanged you, not sure which. If you want to live by giving up your freedoms, the freedoms that people in our military die to protect, you can pick up and head out.

The same founding fathers who kept slaves? Hmmm.

I'm surprised nobody has brought up Disney hotels. I imagine that the majority of guests that frequent WDW stay at Disney properties, or at the very least a large portion. Would I be denied lodging if I have a fever? What about Disney's transportation system? If I'm denied entry to the park, or my lodging, is Disney going to refund my travel expenses?

Kstr 737 said:
Although I think baseball has a decent proposed interim solution to sporting events with their all Arizona/no crowds idea. Bring it back for the morale (and the TV revenue). But even that needs to be further developed. What happens when a player gets sick? (And is the Player's Union really gonna let outdoor play in Phoenix continue into July...)

Fun idea, but it’s a long way from being a reality. I saw a conservative estimate that it would take at least 2000 people to support the teams and get the games on TV and those people would likely need to be quarantined for months. And that doesn’t account for people to service the hotels where these people would have to stay. That alone makes the idea look impossible.

Saw ESPN and the NBA were in talks to have players compete in H O R S E presumably from their own home gyms.

SMH

Desperate times call for desperate measures:

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/04/09/nba-air-horse-challenge-espn

State Farm donating $200,000 to players charities focused on coronavirus relief efforts.

TheMillenniumRider said:

The founders of this country would have made you a pariah for a statement like this, or hanged you, not sure which. If you want to live by giving up your freedoms, the freedoms that people in our military die to protect, you can pick up and head out.

This is patently stupid and false. The founding fathers were not the chest-thumping, tank-riding flag wavers that seem to have co-opted the meaning of patriotism today. It's why they put freedom of speech in the first amendment above all others, knowing the erosion of liberties caused by questioning the king. They also didn't have the nuts to abolish slavery when they knew it was wrong, a debate that frequently erupted in Washington's administration. To suggest that they were infallible is absurd. They at best got it half right, and even then, only because they were smart enough to create a framework for future generations to fix what they couldn't.

Theme parks will be the last businesses to open. There is no safe way to do so until the virus is either successfully treated or can be vaccinated. The only third scenario I can think of is a way to prove that you're not infected, which probably runs afoul of HIPPA.

HIPPA rules would be easy to work around because a person can freely give their data to anyone they want. All you would have to do is sign for some type of ID, either physical or digital.

TheMillenniumRider said:

The founders of this country would have made you a pariah for a statement like this, or hanged you, not sure which. If you want to live by giving up your freedoms, the freedoms that people in our military die to protect, you can pick up and head out.

I know this statement has already been torn down in a couple of different ways, but it's also not like it's totally black and white as you suggest. Everybody, at some level, trades freedom for security. We have laws and a legal system which infringe on the rights of individuals in order to protect the security of others. That is essentially the definition of laws. To suggest that any exchange of freedom for security is opposed to "founding principles" doesn't even make sense. Now, obviously you can have an opinion on the exchange of freedom for security for you personally or for the long term health of the country, but suggesting that allowing your temperature to be taken to enter a theme park is diametrically opposed to the foundation of the country? I don't know where that's coming from.

The problem I have with all of it is that it is just one more thing, each and every day it is one more thing. Today its your temperature, tomorrow we should add heart rate and blood pressure, because security/safety. How far do we go, eventually we will be deep down the rabbit hole, but by moving there incrementally we don't notice it. This country is already a top ten surveillance state, no need to make things worse, we should be moving the other direction honestly.

I had a thought walking the dog today. I passed a pile of poop along the sidewalk and it occurred to me. There are two kinds of people in this world.

1. The person who sees the dog poop and doesn't step in it and carries on with his day.

2. The person who steps in the dog poop, decides that it shouldn't have been there and it is because someone didn't pick it up that caused them to step in it.

The first person most likely takes responsibility for their outcomes and actions, if somehow they managed to step in it then they would have thought I should have paid more attention to where I was going.

The second person most likely blames others for not taking responsibility for cleaning it up, it is because of someone else that they stepped in it.

The real problem in this country is that we are full of those second type of people.

Then there are the people who pick up their dog's poop.

There is a 3rd type of person that also is responsible and willing enough to make the small sacrafice and pick up their own dog sh-t, so the world doesn't have to deal with it

Edit Bucks beat me to it.

This is true, but I'm betting that the vast majority of people who actually clean up their own mess fall into the first group.

I really don't see much dog poop around, and I haven;t taken the time to do an empirical study about this. I would love to see if someone had a data set. There are all kinds of crazy variables that would be able to be correlated together out there.

There’s also the people that would stop and pick up someone else’s dog mess.

And finally, the ones that will take a picture of it and post it on their community Facebook page or Nextdoor.

Personally I prefer the Billy Madison method

TheMillenniumRider said:

The problem I have with all of it is that it is just one more thing, each and every day it is one more thing. Today its your temperature, tomorrow we should add heart rate and blood pressure, because security/safety.

I'll bite. Name one freedom you have given up this week.

For the record I don't believe that Disney will implement this plan. It doesn't really solve the problem and has the potential to be a PR disaster.

BrettV said:

Personally I prefer the Billy Madison method