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It's all a moot point as there is no chance that normalcy will be returning. Not ever. The way the guidelines, as suggested by the CDC, there is no end game (it's also anti-science). Even if everyone who can get a vaccine did. This is beyond the point of stupid and government overreach. Anyone who wants to get vaccinated (that can) does not need to wear a mask to those who do not wish to vaccinate. Personal responsibility has to come in somewhere, but Anthony Fauci suggests otherwise. He's a bureaucrat who will defend the bureaucracy to the bitter end.

Virus' always have variants that are more contagious, but also far less deadly. The data backs this up. What the data does NOT back up is the new CDC guidelines. I keep hearing people repeat the science behind Covid has changed. It has not. The science has remained the same.

You made a lot of assertions in that post without any sources or data. The data from the Provincetown study shows that vaccinated people are transmitting to vaccinated people. This was not known before the Provincetown study. In light of this new data, vaccinated people should wear masks to avoid transmitting. I don't get what's so hard about this.

And I'm not even sure what course of action you're advocating for. You're saying that we're not going to return to normal, that variants are increasingly deadly, and yet you seem to be opposed to mask mandates? What point are you trying to make?

What your saying is all nonsense, not supported by any basis in reality. You're not an expert in infectious disease or immunology, you're just parroting something you heard that aligns with what you want to believe.

The science around Covid has continually evolved. We didn't have data on Delta transmission six months ago, because it didn't exist.

Well, I wasn't going to say this but reading Jeff's response I will now:

It seems like your post is full of talking points about how mad you are, but they contradict each other, don't follow a particular train of thought, and don't point to any useful conclusion. It's like you want something to be mad at, but you've decided it's not the virus or the people who refuse to take the virus seriously and so you decide to be mad at science instead and then can't actually come up with a coherent argument for it. Or maybe I just misunderstood your argument?

Objectively, I could look at his post and think, "Misinformation and more than a year of inconsistent communication (including trivialization of the issue by the previous administration) causes some people to throw their hands up in frustration." That's legit.

But also, a refusal to step back and engage in critical thinking, to attempt to separate the good from bad information, that's willful ignorance, and it's harmful.

Maybe I’ve said this before, but I have a friend who’s in research at Battelle Institute (which does not have a shabby reputation) and she put it very simply. A virus has one job and that is to survive. It will move, morph, and transfer as often as it can to stay alive. The best way to eradicate it is to stop it. If everyone had immediately jumped on the vax bandwagon we wouldn’t be in this new trouble.
Here in my county places like grocery stores and the McDonalds (and state/county/city places) are back to requiring masks and I’m ok with that. I wore mine in the CVS this morning.

RCMAC said:

"...A virus has one job and that is to survive. It will move, morph, and transfer as often as it can to stay alive. The best way to irradiate it is to stop it..."

It's almost as if our adopted internet metaphors regarding misinformation, memes and their virality made sense...

Let's just be realistic, any order for the vaccinated to wear masks or otherwise take precautions is just going to empower the anti-vaccination crowd's logic.

And also piss off a certain segment of those who did get vaccinated.

I'm struggling for a line to wrap up this thought, but I don't have one. It's an observation, I guess. Any step backwards at this point is going to be a bigger mess than the first time around.

Excpet that the virus changed. If it were the same virus, then yes, this step backwards would be frustrating for everyone. But it’s a different variant so we have to combat it using different tactics. It’s not like the anti-vax logic is addressable in any meaningful way anyway, so I think worrying about empowering them is sort of moot.

This is independent of the fact that I’m mostly convinced that lying anti-vaxers are a large factor in the spread already.

I'm frustrated more that we are here again, not with the guidance on masks for the vaccinated. Had the conservative voices supported vaccination months ago we wouldn't be in this pickle. They could have even given Trump credit for the vaccinations, who would care.

The counties in the Chicagoland area are strongly recommending masks for all but I haven't encountered any business that have required it yet. With that being said, the percent of people masked in stores has skyrocketed in the past week. Clearly anecdotal evidence but telling nonetheless.

And the virus varients aren’t just effecting ‘Mericans, but everywhere on earth. So it’s as real as it can be. And the US is facing an embarrassment of riches with a vaccine supply that is currently exceeding demand. It’s available and it’s free.
If Donald Trump, who by the way received the vaccine (not what he took for treatment but the actual vaccine like the rest of us), had only turned around at the door on his way out and said “Hey everybody- I just got the vaccine. Please, everyone, follow me and get one too. It can save us all.” He didn’t though. Something about upsetting his base.
F that S.

Andy said:

Excpet that the virus changed. If it were the same virus, then yes, this step backwards would be frustrating for everyone. But it’s a different variant so we have to combat it using different tactics. It’s not like the anti-vax logic is addressable in any meaningful way anyway, so I think worrying about empowering them is sort of moot.

You're making the same arguments you have all along. How has that worked vs how things have actually played out? I'm not making the judgment of right or wrong - just observing...and, while nothing you say is technically incorrect, which scenario do you think is going to play out?

Also, to extremecoasterdad's point, this is going to go on forever if the metric for continuing masks, distancing and similar precautions is that the virus changed and X is at risk. It's very literally how these viruses work - they change. Someone/something will always be at risk.

I still think 99% of you guys' frustration is expecting a response that humans as a whole are not going to have. Shouting down the other side repeatedly isn't changing anything. (and hasn't for the past 18 months)

We're to this portion of the program (the 2nd half of that post) and I'm ok with that. Granted, there's the ever present and ominous "folks that can't get vaccinated" loophole, but you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

*shrug*

I had one of those days at work where I actually had to spend the entire day focusing on and doing work and didn't have time to slack off and read CBuzz threads. I feel like I entered a time capsule to 2020 opening this thread today.

Lord Gonchar said:

...this is going to go on forever if the metric for continuing masks, distancing and similar precautions is that the virus changed and X is at risk. It's very literally how these viruses work - they change. Someone/something will always be at risk.

We literally have the technology to stop it, and in some parts of the country, it is expiring and being thrown away because it isn't being used. If you want to continue with your "technically" theme, sure, there will always be risk, but the part you're leaving out is that the risk would be inconsequential if people just got the ****ing shot. This whole idea that "all the things suck and it doesn't matter what we do" is false, and it's even more false when used as a reason to just give up and not do anything. I think Andy used the word "defeatist," yeah, that.

A year ago, all we could do is suck it up, mitigate the best we could, and wait. Now we have the out, a proven solution, and we can't even get that right.

Defeatist? More like realist. In no scenario do I think Gonch's statement is false:

I still think 99% of you guys' frustration is expecting a response that humans as a whole are not going to have. Shouting down the other side repeatedly isn't changing anything. (and hasn't for the past 18 months)

I know it gets really old hearing about the ****ton of idiots who refuse to get the vaccine, but it gets equally as old hearing the constant bitching about those same idiots...who won't ever change their minds. It's not that I'm cool with unvaccinated people being around my 11 year old daughter who can't get vaccinated, but I take the necessary precautions that have so far resulted in none of us getting the COVIDs in a year and a half.

But if we just shout louder...

But that isn't the argument that people are making, that people suck and whatareyougonnado. The argument being made is that the science and the prescribed solutions aren't going to work. That is measurably and objectively not true. That's the basis for them saying they give up, and contextually the argument that extremecoasterdad appears to be making.

And yes, I also believe the people suck argument is also exhausting. It's exhausting because we're turning into a nation of people who don't want to do anything hard. We're apparently content to just suck and not solve problems.

Indy 500 thread: 18 months later (rather than 3 hrs) and 226 pages (rather than 200 laps) and we are right back where we started.

I don’t think it’s about changing metrics or moving a goal posts. Things were improving dramatically, so we eased restrictions. Now we’re on our way back up another wave, so we tighten up again.