Shanghai Disneyland will close in effort to contain coronavirus

I can't imagine the overlap in the Venn diagram is very big in the "non- vaccinated compared to Broadway show fans" chart.

Maybe not, but it's beyond time that more places start drawing a line in the sand, and I would give a standing ovation to any institution doing so, even if the impact is minimal and it's largely a symbolic gesture. The collective dumb can keep protesting outside Foo Fighters' concerts.

Disney and Walmart now also mandating vaccine for some (not all) employees.

Lord Gonchar said:

I can't imagine the overlap in the Venn diagram is very big in the "non- vaccinated compared to Broadway show fans" chart.

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Lord Gonchar said:

I can't imagine the overlap in the Venn diagram is very big in the "non- vaccinated compared to Broadway show fans" chart.

https://www.thebroadwaybeat.com/post/unvaccinated-man-broadway-boycott

GoBucks89 said:

As of Tuesday, Ohio State is asking everyone to report their vaccine status and will test unvaccinated students weekly.

https://news.osu.edu/ohio-state-updates-autumn-semester-reactivation-plans/

Its interesting to see some entities make definite announcements to the effect of "We will not require masks or vaccines." Seems to me its best to say what your current plans are and you will continually monitor and assess for any appropriate changes going forward.

The problem with monitoring for changes as a policy as opposed to just deciding you will or will not require something is that it doesn't give people who need one particular policy the ability to go where they know they will get what they need. We've spent a year and a half in limbo and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight. Some people need to know what will be expected of them up front before they make a commitment of large amounts of time or money. Some people have the ability to just go with the flow and good for them but those that do not need options to plan life going forward.

I wonder how big the Venn-diagram overlap is for people who: 1) Don't want a business to require them to be vaccinated and or wear a mask to be on premises and 2) claim to support the "free market." I would guess that there is a pretty sizable overlap.

Oh, the irony of those situations is rich. Do they know how stupid they sound saying "my body, my choice" when they're the same people opposing basic women's healthcare? I'm not even talking about abortion, just contraception and yearly checkups and mammograms.

We've spent a year and a half in limbo and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight.

Always would be better to know everything as far in advance as possible. Just not how life often works. Friend who had cancer really needs to know if/when it will come back. No one knows that. Dad has significant memory/cognitive issues. Need to know how long it will take for it to progress to the point (or even exactly when that point is) when he can't live by himself. We can't know that.

There is a saying: life is what happens while you are making plans.

Its not too uncommon for establishments to put a sign up saying "no shirt, no shoes, no service." Pretty much everyone can accept this. Why, then, is it such a bit deal to add "mask" to that list?

I’m gonna start defying the “no shirt” part of that cuz muh freedom.

"Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday"

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-business-arts-and-enter...b689af1ea8

Lord Gonchar said:

I can't imagine the overlap in the Venn diagram is very big in the "non- vaccinated compared to Broadway show fans" chart.

Depends entirely on the show. For "Slave Play," yeah, there might not be much overlap. But there's a host of shows relying entirely on tourists - it ain't the New York intelligentsia going to see "Chicago" at this point, or "Phantom" or "The Lion King."

GoBucks89 said:

We've spent a year and a half in limbo and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight.

Always would be better to know everything as far in advance as possible. Just not how life often works. Friend who had cancer really needs to know if/when it will come back. No one knows that. Dad has significant memory/cognitive issues. Need to know how long it will take for it to progress to the point (or even exactly when that point is) when he can't live by himself. We can't know that.

There is a saying: life is what happens while you are making plans.

I think those examples are a bit more extreme than can someone sign themselves up for college classes without finding out mid-semester that they're going to have to ditch because the policy is ever changing and now they can't attend because they can't meet the new requirements mid-semester and now they wasted their money and time. I don't expect a crystal ball to see 10 years into my future but we are all required to make decisions about the next few months of our lives and we can't just have the rules changed on us without warning every 2 months. Some people are fine with that but if someone already knows they can't meet a requirement and one school or business has stated up front they will not have that requirement and the other says things will be continually changing some people are going to need to avoid the continually changing set of requirements.

If I am a college president and you tell me that whatever policy we put in place initially must remain in place with no flexibility to change it as conditions change, I would go 100% remote, social distancing and masks for everyone. If not changing plans is absolutely paramount, most conservative approach is the option that makes the most sense.

No business can make a promise that they won't make any changes. Government action can always trump that. They can also change their minds/policies. Get that deal in writing and read the fine print. That guarantee of no change in requirements may well be marketing.

And its not like colleges/businesses who make changes in plans would be doing so on a whim. They all want to be as fully open as possible. But they are saying (at least some of them) that if the situation changes and the best course of action is to change course, we will do that. You want them to say we won't take the best course of action because x months ago (based on info we had at the time but that has now changed) we said we would do something different.

Paisley said:

I don't expect a crystal ball to see 10 years into my future but we are all required to make decisions about the next few months of our lives and we can't just have the rules changed on us without warning every 2 months. Some people are fine with that but if someone already knows they can't meet a requirement and one school or business has stated up front they will not have that requirement and the other says things will be continually changing some people are going to need to avoid the continually changing set of requirements.

What you are saying is accurate...unless you are talking about life during a pandemic. The reality we have all been living in since late winter of 2020 in this country has been that as the science and data evolve, we must all evolve. It's not easy, it's not ideal, but it's what we all have to do together to get to the other side. I'll stop short of commenting on how we should be on that other side by now, but I digress.

Every student in my classes understands that the rules we are playing by on day one of classes could be completely subverted by week four. That's life as a college student/educator/administrator in the United States in 2021.

You don't need a "warning" that change might happen when you are living in a pandemic, because you are living in a pandemic. The warning is implied.

I'm also not sure what requirements are so dire that change can not be applied. If anything, I've come to admire and respect the ability of 90% of students, families, and coworkers to adapt to an unpredictable environment.

Unless you pay your tuition in cash. In that case, you're screwed.

OhioStater said:

Unless you pay your tuition in cash. In that case, you're screwed.

Don't worry. There is a cash to card kiosk on the quad.

Regarding college approaches, The U just released their Fall 2021 guidelines that read in part:

The best way to prepare is to get your shot. COVID-19 is a vaccine preventable disease. We strongly encourage vaccination for all students and members of the campus community. Vaccination is required for employees, subject to a limited set of exemptions. While the University cannot mandate vaccination for students, it is expected that they understand their responsibility for their health and the health of others.

For students, faculty, and staff who are not vaccinated, testing will be required at least once a week.

We are building on the investments and strategy that made zero in-classroom transmission possible last year, by taking four key steps as we return to campus:

Masking—Consistent with CDC guidelines, appropriate face covers will be required in all indoor public spaces, including classrooms, regardless of vaccination status. Vaccines protect us from serious illness, hospitalization, and death. However, the prevalence of variants puts us all at risk for transmission, and we have to minimize that risk. Outdoor masking will also be strongly encouraged when congregating in large groups. We will revisit these requirements as more members of our community get vaccinated and the pandemic evolves.

Testing—Residential students will be required to test negative on campus within 24 hours of move-in. All students, whether living on or off campus, who are unvaccinated or who have not shared proof of vaccination will participate in surveillance testing starting their first week of classes.

Vaccines—We will have vaccine booths available on the Coral Gables Campus for any student, faculty, or staff member who wishes to receive COVID-19 shots.

Hybrid engagement—As we plan meetings and events, we will continue to deploy hybrid formats to make adequate physical distancing possible.

I realize that what I have just outlined is more restrictive than what we had hoped would be feasible. Unfortunately, the variant scenario we had warned against has materialized, and we must respond accordingly.

Also, why does Florida seem to go into maximum suck mode every time I have to head down there? You're still easily the worst state in the union. Global warming isn't moving fast enough.

Governor DeSantis welcomes you!

They're trying to keep you out.

^^

Remind your son to find an un-vaxxed Florida resident (shouldn't be hard) and punch him in the face.

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