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Biden's plan is to listen to the experts which is a huge step in the right direction but it's already too late on the masks issue.

eightdotthree said:

Biden's plan is to listen to the experts which is a huge step in the right direction but it's already too late on the masks issue.

I listened to his plan today. He literally repeated everything Trump has already done. He offered nothing new.

Anyone who questions why we as a country can't do things right to shorten this pandemic need look no further than the presidential candidates we've picked the last few elections. Also, does anyone else see the irony in the continual push to get away from having more old white males in power? We now have the two oldest, whitest, and maley-est dip**** candidates this country has ever seen.

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extremecoasterdad said:

I listened to his plan today. He literally repeated everything Trump has already done. He offered nothing new.

I don't know - here's what Biden said in the debate:

What I would do is make sure we have everyone encouraged to wear a mask, all the time. I would make sure we move in the direction of rapid testing, investing in rapid testing. I would make sure that we set up national standards as to how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe, and give them the wherewithal and financial resources to be able to do that.

The PINO has manifestly not made sure everyone was encouraged to wear a mask; he has complained about them and mocked people who wear them. He hasn't done anything to promote rapid testing; he's discouraged testing because he felt it drove up the number of cases he was getting blamed for. There are no national standards for opening schools; those have been left up to individual states or cities, with no real guidance from the federal government at all. We had one relief bill, but no support for retrofitting businesses and schools to make them safer, and the follow up relief bill passed by the House in May has been hung up in the Congress, with no consistent effort from the White House to get it through the Senate.

It's certainly the case that these aren't new ideas. You can even say the PINO tried some of them some of the time. But aside from having good ideas, you actually have to put people in place who can design and implement and manage programs, and instead he's surrounded himself with lackeys and incompetents and partisan hacks, and ignored the professionals. Execution is at least as important as strategy.

The House's 3 trillion dollar bill is full of unnecessary pork, so if that is what you are wanting, then go ahead and vote Biden.

The U.S. has had more testing than any other country on the earth, so not sure how you go above the most testing.

National mandates on masks won't work any more than national mandates on returning to school safely, for the same exact reason. It's quite simple. There are states, cities and municipalities that are more rural and need different guidelines than those with more dense population.

Wanna talk about implementing great ideas? Where was Biden and Obama when it came to H1N1? Oh yeah, they waited until there were thousands dead before declaring a national emergency. So forgive me if reality gets in the way of his "sound" decision making skills.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it isn't correct. China has tested entire cities in a matter of days, millions of people, when they've found a few cases. We haven't done anything even close in the US, even on a small scale.

You're also incorrect that different places need different guidelines. Rural areas literally have no place to treat sick people right now. Sound familiar? That was the case in many of the big cities at the start.

Your "but Obama!" statement is willfully ignorant. H1N1 was not even remotely as deadly. 60 million people likely had it in 2009, according to the CDC, with around 12k deaths in that year. That's 0.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the population. Covid-19 has killed 150 per 100,000 people. We've only had 9 million cases, a far cry from 60 million, and already 225,000 deaths. So tell me again about the liability of the Obama administration, which decidedly did not close the office that was intended to prepare for pandemics.

It's not political, it's math and science. Please don't spread bull**** here.

The House's 3 trillion dollar bill is full of unnecessary pork, so if that is what you are wanting, then go ahead and vote Biden.

Trump's budget deficit was $984 billion last year before there was a pandemic to blame.

The U.S. has had more testing than any other country on the earth, so not sure how you go above the most testing.

We're the third most populous country in the world and we have a lot of spread occurring in the community so of course we have more tests. We have achieved the minimum and do less testing per capita than a few other countries depending on where you look. We should have better contact tracing and better testing than anyone else in the world. We supposedly have the best healthcare in the world so let's prove it.

Where was Biden and Obama when it came to H1N1? Oh yeah, they waited until there were thousands dead before declaring a national emergency.

12,469 died in the US from H1N1 so not even remotely the same thing right? It was 12 days from first confirmed case in the US to a declared public health emergency from the Obama administration. That's before a single death was recorded. Here's a timeline.

In response to Ebola the administration drafted the Pandemic Response Playbook.

BUT JOE BIDEN'S SON'S EMAILS!!!1!!

Playing all the hits from 2016!

Yeah well those facts are just your opinion, man.

Jeff said:

60 million people likely had it in 2009, according to the CDC, with around 12k deaths in that year. That's 0.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the population. Covid-19 has killed 150 per 100,000 people. We've only had 9 million cases, a far cry from 60 million, and already 225,000 deaths.

Don't forget that the 225k deaths are for half a year and with the entire country shut down, so it's not even an apples to apples comparison.

Isn't lying on your resume a sin?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/10/28/white-house-touts-...f6223a5f24

He did it!

The H1N1 reference is a hypothetical. Had it been more deadly with the case numbers we had in 2009, there would have been more deaths. Just math. Now had it been more deadly we presumably would have increased mitigation efforts. What exactly they would have been and more importantly how successful they would have been isn't clear.

The son of a carpenter wearing a MAGA hat and holding an American flag is fake news, no?

Hypothetical? I can hypothetically argue that we're ill prepared for alien invasion. It doesn't make it a valid comparison.

Different people view the validity of different comparissons differently.

Ill prepared for alien invasion? Area 51 would disagree with you. ;)

I don't trust anyone who thinks comparing something that kills 200x as many people in half the time with a fraction of the infections a "valid comparison."

There are a lot of people I don't trust. For a number of reasons. But many of those same people are trusted by large numbers of people. I don't view myself as the be-all and end-all of who people should trust.

Just because the dead horse needs more beating: The US death toll from Corona virus in October alone is 18,949 as of today. So more than 50% more deaths than H1N1's annual toll in less than a month with the entire country in some stage of closure.

I don't understand why we're even talking about Obama anyway. Unless Trump is still trying to ride "blame Obama" sentiment (I have another word for it, but that's another story) after having been in office for four years.

GoBucks89 said:

There are a lot of people I don't trust. For a number of reasons. But many of those same people are trusted by large numbers of people. I don't view myself as the be-all and end-all of who people should trust.

I don't understand. Are you saying that we shouldn't trust empirical numbers and the most basic, surface analysis comparing them?

extremecoasterdad made a comparison between H1N1 and corona virus (which I guess was supposed to defend Trump or undermine Biden or something? I don't know.). Jeff and others went on to show that the comparison was not valid and also didn't lead to the conclusion that coasterdad claimed it did using first grade math. Nobody has refuted Jeff's argument. And now suddenly that makes Jeff the "be-all and end-all" of who people should trust? Seriously, it's just numbers. Unless you are saying there's room for interpretation in the statement "225k is bigger than 12k"?

Edit: Probably Jeff's initial use of the word "trust" wasn't the best? I mean, there's nothing to trust or not trust. extremecoasterdad was simply wrong in his comparison of the two events.