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GoBucks89 said:

(and the generation issue is being discussed because of the statement that people in their 50s are part of a generation that was never required to do anything hard) was required to do something hard.

That may be true but I still don't see how covid is a generational thing. It impacts everyone. And I don't see that one generation is doing better or worse than another in terms of mask wearing and distancing. I see 10s, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70, 80s with masks and without.

Its a generational thing to a certain degree because, as has been discussed, there is a tendency for older people to be more at risk of severe consequences with getting Covid than there is for younger people. Not a matter of no risk for younger people but much less risk from a health stand point. And younger people tend to be more impacted by mitigation efforts than older people. Older people more likely to be retired and thus little/no economic impact. Younger people more likely to have lost jobs which are needed to live day to day with typically much less in savings as a cushion. And socially, more young people looking to go out and socialize with large groups of people than are 80 and 90 year olds. None of that is true in all cases though.

And yes, you are correct that there are people of all ages who are wearing masks and social distancing and in general isolating themselves from others as much as they can. And people of all ages who are not doing many or any of those things.

But in terms of the last few posts, the generational issue is a focus based on:

No one is suggesting anyone has to live like this indefinitely. What is it with our generation? We've never been required to do anything hard, and now that we have, people are unwilling to rise to the challenge.

I wasn't meaning to imply that Covid was generational. I was saying that sacrifice for country has been a bit generational. Yes, Vietnam had its share of privileged Americans who avoided the draft (many of them in Washington DC right now) but the average American likely had relatives, friends or neighbors who were impacted by Vietnam.

I guess my point is that people who think their very freedoms are being compromised by masks are just a bunch of whining ******** in my humble opinion.

Understood. I was responding to Jeff's comment (referenced above) saying that our generation is unwilling to rise to the challenge. Specifically to that, this generation is not being asked to do anything more than any other generation at this time to fight covid. And I don't see that mask compliance with this generation is any more or less than any other generation.

wahoo skipper said:

I wasn't meaning to imply that Covid was generational. I was saying that sacrifice for country has been a bit generational. Yes, Vietnam had its share of privileged Americans who avoided the draft (many of them in Washington DC right now) but the average American likely had relatives, friends or neighbors who were impacted by Vietnam.

I guess my point is that people who think their very freedoms are being compromised by masks are just a bunch of whining ******** in my humble opinion.

I would politely disagree with that sentiment. GenX people fought in Iraq and also Afghanistan.

A very few number of GenX people fought in those wars, all volunteers. The rest of us were not asked to ration milk or build tanks.

Yeah, the only things this Gen X'er feels were hard things felt by all (giggity) were 911 and COVID. There have been other events during my lifetime that have affected many (and myself), but not affected by literally everyone.

extremecoasterdad said:

I would politely disagree with that sentiment. GenX people fought in Iraq and also Afghanistan.

I'm sure this was/is intentional, but I literally cannot name a single thing about my everyday life that's different because of the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan. To be totally honest, I can't even tell you where/how many troops we have in those places right now or if we're even doing anything there. Gulf War 1, at least it was on the news a lot. Current Gulf War and whatever we're doing in Afghanistan? Nope.

Maybe you can't, but the vets sure can. I know several of them.

I think that's Andy's point? We let other people do the sacrificing while we sit at home and whine about having to wear a mask to the grocery store.

I come from a military family so any apparent slight of vets was unintentional. My family members who fought in Vietnam were drafted. They didn't volunteer to serve. Yes, it is sacrifice any way you slice it but it is certainly a different scenario and that is what I was trying to get at.

eightdotthree said:

I think that's Andy's point? We let other people do the sacrificing while we sit at home and whine about having to wear a mask to the grocery store.

Could not have said it better. Compare to depression or WW1 or WW2 or Vietnam or Cold War when at least it was understood that everyone had to make some kind of sacrifice for the common good or at the very least there was some semblence of “we’re all in this together.”

Compare to depression or WW1 or WW2 or Vietnam or Cold War when at least it was understood that everyone had to make some kind of sacrifice for the common good or at the very least there was some semblence of “we’re all in this together.”

About that. This "we're all in this together" stuff is now just a cliché beyond proportions.

I have to ask... how old are you?

Well, in the case of a global pandemic and the effect it is having on society, we are literally all in this together.

Jeff said:

I have to ask... how old are you?

Sorry, that's private information. Can't give it to you.

You can't signup unless you're at least 13, so it's not that private. I can remove you from the site if I suspect you're not old enough. And I suspect.

Jeff said:

You can't signup unless you're at least 13, so it's not that private. I can remove you from the site if I suspect you're not old enough. And I suspect.

I'm way above that.

I can't wait for Biden to be elected so we can just shut down the Coronavirus lol.

Some things require a national response. If Russia attacked Alaska during the cold war I don't think any of us would have been happy had Reagan said, "good luck Alaska". If the President simply had followed his own criteria for "Reopening America" (I have the document on my desk) we'd be better off today. But, like everything else, he went off script almost immediately and here we are.

He all but discouraged the use of masks. Contact tracing (which requires Federal assistance) is all but non-existent. Hell, he couldn't even take the personal steps necessary to keep himself, his family and those closest to him safe.

If Biden's ONLY component to a plan is to wear a mask and encourage the use of masks every opportunity he can then it is already superior to Trump's plan.