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Coaster Sam - you bring up an interesting idea.
Remove the following items. Aftershock store, Shockwave Queue house, Photo Building. This then opens up a large area for a new midway entrance point which the park could expand on and create a new themed area. This would allow them to populate the rest of the Shockwave site with flats and other merch stores. Metropolis themed area would be sweet.
I now I am dreaming but maybe this is the perfect thing for that side of the park to bring it up to par with Southwest Territory. Themeing and such.
Just Rambling.
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BMCOASTER
bmcoaster@wi.rr.com
Personally I like that idea. I also think that it might be a good idea to bring in a second entrance to the area somewhere. Maybe more towards the Carousel plaza area. Then if they wanted to create a new area such as Southwest Territory it will be opened up. I would say line one side of the new area with Superman and the other side with an X clone if they work out the bugs. If they want to theme it with the area you could make it Lex Luthors Revenge.
Though I have a feeling that they are just going to put the ride there and leave everything else the way it was. I hope not but then again do they have time to really prep that area for Superman the way that they should if they want the ride open in May.
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*** This post was edited by beast7369 on 9/25/2002. ***
Bull fan said:
Here's why, Bob: 1)It was at one time arguably the greatest thrill machine on the planet. Many of us have fond memories of that. If whizzer is being saved because of "historical" importance, SW has some history of its own. The ride is a legend, in a sense, despite how crappy it is now.
2)It is arguably the park's most powerful visual image. It's a very impressive introduction to the park. There's nothing quite like taking a right into Six Flags Parkway and having those glorious loops and drops be the first image you see. Used to give me goosebumps. By comparison, it wouldn't make a difference visually if Demon, Whizzer, or IW had hit bit the dust.
3)A decent # of people, in my opinion, prefer it to whizzer and demon two others that I would've preferred to see go.
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SFGAm: 1)DV 2)V2 3)AE Blue 4)Viper 5)Bull
Whizzer was not only saved because of historical importance. it was saved because it is a fun, family ride which is lacking in SFGA a bit. Whizzer has held up over the years while SW was great when it opened and is now a painful dud. SW's legend is of massive headaches. Whizzer's legend is of being the last in the country, the first in the park, ect.
yes, it is a powerful image, but, like I said, images don't bring money. nobody rides SW, yet it is still run. it is a waste of money for SFGA. and, while they will lose a grand site, they'll get a great ride and lots more money. if you were one of the people complaining when Deja Vu was a monument, then you can't complain because that's all SW appears to be to you. I'm not going to touch on the other rides you mentioned since they have no bearing on this dicussion and since it just goes to prove my point that it doesn't matter if a ride effects the looks, it matters that it lines people up. so deal with the loss of a great site and get ready for a great ride.
Demon was never considered so I see no reason to discuss it. if a decent number of people perfer SW, then why was there no line for it? if people prefered it, then it wouldn't be going.
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-Bob (formerly Coaster Jedi)
Do any of you know how to build a sundial out of a pen and a donut?
uh oh, sounds like someone has a case of the mondays.
Just the "potential" of losing Whizzer got me to SFGAm this year post-SRM, and like Hershey's SDL, and SFoG's Mindbender, these Antons have a TON of history behind them it's true. But, as Bob mentioned, they're also great "fmaily rides". Sure, the other two I mentioned have inversions, but the sheer nature of these classic Antons (selected by me for maintaining their lapbars) makes them FUN and somewhat intense, and fantastic additions to the line-ups at their respective parks.
bill, saying go ahead and get rid of Whizzer, but PLEASE "send it to me"...tips hat to Jagger/Richards...
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'Let's fly close to the sun. Let's do it just 'cause it's fun.' - The Wedding Present '2,3, Go'
seems fair chris....lose Viper, a classic Anton shuttle looper (which I could EASILY ride ALL day and long into the night)....gain Shockwave, a simply awful Arrow headbanger...maybe we could send you BGT's Python as a sort of "kicker" for that deal..... Just ONE piece of Intamin steel (preferably of the non-shuttle variety), at ANY park within a weekend drive. I *could* even make it to Carowinds if need be...
for those wondering about the connection to SFGAm, remember that SFoG's Viper was once Tidal Wave....I know you'd forgotten SW even existed a while ago (based on the "line" the day we went)...
*** This post was edited by rollergator on 9/25/2002. ***
We'd never take Python, Bill. Give us Mindbender! It's fair, after all. A looper for a looper.
SFoG would then have the ultimate '1-2 Punch:' Ninja *and* Shockwave.
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'Let's fly close to the sun. Let's do it just 'cause it's fun.' - The Wedding Present '2,3, Go'
Another thing. I am hoping that when Shockwave is completely on the trucks on its way out that we will see large earth movers there to remove the fricking parking lot. One thing we don't need is a to look down at a large parking lot while soaring over the ground. Maybe tunnels, a pond some buildings like a city. Now that would be sweet.
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BMCOASTER
bmcoaster@wi.rr.com
Ah, a sort of Hollywood set type theme, as opposed to a real themed area? That would both be very do-able, and very cool.
Sadly, I wouldn't count on it.
chris said:
We'd never take Python, Bill.
...seems like EVERY time I try to get rid of this piece of....machinery....noone wants it. I feel like a used car salesman: "It's not OLD, it's a CLASSIC". As for SW, same rule applies. WHY would another park want that thing....blah!
Shock Wave will be a big pluss to any park that gets it... A few years down the road. Just seeing that immense structure of loops and curves looming over a park adds to the feel of the place. It lets you know, subconsciously, all the time, that you're in a major theme park, with major thrills (Even if you aren't. Say hello, The great Escape. The number of coasters you owe us is now up to two! ;-)). In the short run, though, I think a lot of people are going to be upset when their new coaster turns out to be so painful...
P.S. let's see how long we can keep this thread going. Anyone think we can reach a thousand posts by November? What's the record, for both time kept on the front page, and for number of posts?
*** This post was edited by (SF)Great American on 9/25/2002. ***
Rollergator -- did you ride Shockwave this year? Just curious. And you can keep Python. Please, keep that thing far away.
Bob, you make some good points. The park may be more "well-rounded "with Shockwave's exit and Whizzer's extended life. (Though we now lack a large looping full-circuit coaster) I propose, however, that one's experience at a park can be affected by the initial impression of it. (Sort of like a date). The initial impression of seeing Shockwave gives one the feeling that -- "dang, this is gonna be a sweet park". So, I guess what I'm saying is that if they were bringing in a giant woodie or a floorless, see ya Shockwave. But with a 115-122 foot flyer, well...at least we'll have a better view of v2 now.
Another question: Where are they gonna put their next "big" ride? If they had put the flyer in Whizzer's footprint, they could have put a big ride in Shockwave's spot. Now, what are they gonna do next -- tear down American Eagle? *(shudders)*
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SFGAm: 1)DV 2)V2 3)AE Blue 4)Viper 5)Bull
I'll miss Shockwave, but on the bright side, we are getting another B&M AND by not having a "mega-looper" anymore, opening up the possibility of getting yet another B&M ! :) Floorless for 2005 anyone ? Of course, it all depends on what new innovations are developed between now and then, and I'd definitely take an X-type ride over a looper too.
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Wooden: 1) Beast 2) Raven 3) Son of Beast 4) The Boss 5) Timber Wolf
Steel: 1) Raging Bull 2) Millennium Force 3) V2 4) Wild Thing 5) Deja Vu / Mr. Freeze (tie)
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-Bob (formerly Coaster Jedi)
Do any of you know how to build a sundial out of a pen and a donut?
uh oh, sounds like someone has a case of the mondays.
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BMCOASTER
bmcoaster@wi.rr.com
Sfgamfreak1169 said:
I think that the Whizzer is just a waste of space. When I hard it was going was glad. If SW is the on to be replaced im going to be really pissed off.
My thoughts exactly.
rollergator said:
"I anticipated that Shockwave would be somewhere between GASM-II roughness and the relative bliss that is SFMM's Viper. So much for expectations, SW made the megalooper in Joisey seem like a Beemer in comparison....OUCH!
(SNIPPAGE)
The only other coaster that disappointed me was Bull...enough brakes to stop a locomotive"
Well that's TWO STRIKES right there! RGW, I think all that Florida "sunshine" has gone to your head and messed things up in there. SW is infinitely more enjoyable than GASM-II. Dont take my word for it. Take my "GP in Tow" 'T'. She was willing to ride GADv's *VIPER* twice, but wouldnt touch GASM-II if I paid her! 'Nuff said.
And I *still* dont get what y'all complain about with Raging Bull's brakes, especially since you like Goliath. If Big Gs MCBR is "anything" like Titan's, I dont wanna here you say yit about brakes :)
Anyway, I hope that they at least only use a "portion" of ShockWave's space for the flyer, leaving a little room for another attraction. Maybe a HUSS Delrium themed to Swamp Thing, who coincidentally *was* cajun...(if it has to be DC at all...)
lata,
jeremy
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"To get inside this head of mine, would take a monkey-wrench, and a lot of wine" Res How I Do
I still think that nothing but another looper could replace Shockwave. Will I be dissapointed with a flyer? Hell no. I just wish they could've mustered up space for this ride elsewhere. I doubt any sort of landscaping will go in Shockwave's former spot. Flying over a parking lot just doesn't seem like it'll give the full effect. Whizzer's old spot was a prime location for the flyer. By saving Whizzer, SF hit two birds with one stone. Shockwave is gone, and Whizzer isn't going to stay around much longer either. If only SF did some creative planning. That spot over where Cajun Cliffhanger and Power Dive stood could've been put to use. Now we just kind of have a whole lot of nothing going on in that area. I think we could've added a coaster without removing one. Whatever happened to SF "being in the business of building rides, not taking them down"?
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Never Has Gravity Been So Uplifting.
Closed topic.
