PKI to restrict some rides to Gold Pass Holders
I have to say that I've never seen so much B.S in my life.
I said earlier that it might not be right to cut into normal operating hours and this happens what 4 times for 1.5hrs?
How many times have I been to a SF park and featured coasters haven't even opened for the day?
The Gold pass club was like a $5 addition to the regular season pass and Includes early ride times, Closer parking, Early seating for shows. Nothing wrong at all with that, Best $5 I ever spent!
Chuck, saying want any cheese with that whine?
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Charles Nungester
Americana is opening in 2002 and needs your support as many company picnics are already schedualed for someplace else, Indivdual visits are very improtant to the parks survival.
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Beer, my soon to be wife, coasters, and the FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Is this a great country or what!!
So...For several weeks I have been working on plans to attend PKI, my first trip to PKI, while my husband is at a drag racing event in Columbus. The date? May 4. Now I find out that I will NOT get a night ride on the Beast. Yes, I can experience it during the day. But I am a bit disappointed. I live 5 hours away from PKI, a season pass is out of the question.
I agree with parks providing perks for their season passholders. CP offers them to us. But all perks and ERT are before the park opens, or after the park closes.
I am just one person, but right now, one disappointed person. I had hoped to get both day and night rides.
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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead
CPLady: Then be sure to be there around 7:15 to 7:30 and hop on the last GP ride or get a gold season pass. ;)
Seriously guys, it's not a big deal. Live with it. You have to live with much worse things in your life.
For our sake, just STOP the argument. It's gotten way out of hand: three pages?!
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The Jet Coaster ROARS!
Will Johansson, Webmaster of Xtreme Paramount Parks
http://xpp.coasterbuzz.com/
A season pass for a park I live 5 hours from and can only get to once this year? Get real. And for your info, Jet, it's not DARK at 7:30 in May. Now, if they will let me get in line at 9:30 (after the 2 hours of Gold Pass ERT), then I'd be happier. At least CP doesn't close their lines 20-30 minutes before closing to insure the queue will be empty when the park closes.
Live with it? I already said I would. I'm happy to get to PKI and to be able to ride their coasters. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with the decision to close a ride to people like me during regular park hours.
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Anyway, I dont like it. I didnt really like it that SFA had it's filming of Batwing during regular business hours (even though I was a lucky beneficiary). Really, all that PKI is trying to do is stir up envy (or greed) in the hearts of the *non-golden-child* such that she buys the *big* pass. That's not altogether a bad thing.
Again, I credit them with publishing this right along side the rest of their operating schedule. As long as they are putting the info out there, the burden shifts to the consumer (unlike the ish that happened with the "paw print" nights.
Point being, if you're cool with it, fine. If you hate it, fine. But there is no reason to attempt to *silence* the other side. To me, that is a sign that you are actually weak in your position.
lata,
jeremy
--"Your fear make air stink!" Sato The Karate Kid II
Again, a few points (and I will paraphrase):
- "Its not reasonable to expect EVERYTHING to be open...": Yes, things are down for maintenance, things are down for mechanical problems. No problem there. But it is reasonable to expect everything that is up and running be open to all who pay to enter. Pay One Price means just that. When you pay $41.99 + tax per person to enter (+$8 to park) it is reasonable to expect that everything that is up and running is open to you.
- "A season pass for a park 5 hours away and I can get to only once a year?": Totally unreasonable to tell a person "buy the season pass to get the perk" if they are not a local person. As I stated before, a season pass holder who can go any time, can stop by PKI during the week and ride until closing till... a person who is travelling does not have this luxury. Better example... my wife and I live 40 minutes from Hersheypark. We are thinking about getting season passes this year. The reason? Several visits of shorter duration during off peak times... I.E. to ride till our hearts' content on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday nights. If we can't ride a coaster more than once because of long lines, no big deal... we can come back next week. If a person is travelling, and they can't ride a coaster because of long lines (or because it is closed to give ERT to season pass holders), they may not get to ride it until next year (or perhaps never). Also, it is easy for a gold pass holder to say "best $5 I ever spent"... a gold pass is only $5 more than a regular pass... however a regular pass is 2x as much as a single day admission, and it is not reasonable to expect a person who will visit the park for only 1 day to pay that price.
- Lessons in Objectivity: I don't care what park does this, it is still wrong. If even my home park would do this, it would be wrong. Open the park early, give a special day for pass holders, give other perks, fine... but do not give "perks" to pass holders at the expense of others. "The Jet Coaster's" advice of get in line at 7:30 for a night ride or get a season pass is not acceptable for reasons already stated, but it is easy to see why that cavalier attitude was taken. The signature "Webmaster for Xtreme Paramount Parks" gives it away.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I never expected it to change PKI's opinion. I don't think that is why most people are posting on this. I believe most are just posting to add their opinions to this discussion which seems to have really taken off.
As 2Hostyl said, it sounds like those who are infavor of this policy are running out of ways to defend it except for saying "Live with it" or "it doesn't matter". Of course, like I said above, by looking at names you can get some what of an idea of just how "objective" some of these posts are... right Beast_rocks? Even if the name doesn't give it away, clicking on the Info button for people might... lots of southern Ohio locations listed for the supporters (or areas near other Paramount parks).
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Beast_rocks said:
All of this debate probally is not going to change PKI's mind about this so it doesn't matter
Then why discuss anything on here? We aren't attempting to change PKI on this board, we are attempting to have a discussion.
And on a side note, if PKI gets enough complaints I'd imagine they will change the policy.
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If the shoe fits, find another one.
Not to stir the debate up even more... but to those who have said things along the lines of "those who are infavor of this policy are running out of ways to defend it"... Those who oppose it have been bringing up the same reasons over and over again, so for the love of a good arugment stop saying that... This is one of those things like the death penatly and things, there will never be a clear winner...
It does make for an interesting read though :)
Like many others who object to this idea, I have no problem with the park offering another perk to season passholders. Heck, I have the Joe Cool endorsement on my Cedar Point pass. However, the difference between the ERT offered on the Joe Cool in the morning, and the ERT offered by PKI to Gold passholders in the evening, is that Cedar Point's perk *doesn't affect everyone else*. Cedar Point isn't closing the line off early to the "regular" patrons for this.
I have a PKD pass. I already know which days I will NOT be attending PKI. Not a big deal -- to their credit, it IS posted. I don't think it's a good idea, but at least I have advance warning.
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--Greg
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As GregLeg said (and as I have said before), its not a problem with a season pass perk, its a problem with a season pass perk that directly affects and inconviences non pass holders (even pass holders of a "lower" value pass).
I looked at the PKI site and I saw the dates myself. Were I inclined to go to visit PKI (which I am not this year), I would know what days to stay away too. I also looked at the PKD site (to get info on their operating schedule) and saw an "ominious" note: They are advertisint exclusive ride time for pass holders... but are not listing the dates and rides. If this is on days when the park is not opened to the general public, fine. If this is before park hours or after closing, fine. However, if this would be the same situation as PKD and certain rides will be closed during operatin hours for pass holder ERT and it is not being advertised in advance, then "not fine".
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"A season pass for a park I live 5 hours from and can only get to once this year"
I live in Lansing MI. It is 5 hours away from PKI. Last year I used my gold pass 3 times at PKI and once at PKD.
Also, if I was only going to visit PKI once during the year, it sure isn't going to be in April, and most likely not even in May.
Besides, when driving 5 hours to a park. I usually spend more than one day there, unless it's a small park like holiday world.
For some reason I am reminded of a statement that has been made from someone who is active at this site. To paraphrase:
"If your gonna be cheap, then don't go!"
When would you plan your one trip?
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"He's blazin' away like the stars in the universe.." A. Vega + M. Rev "Ghostrider"
PointMan said:
For some reason I am reminded of a statement that has been made from someone who is active at this site. To paraphrase:"If your gonna be cheap, then don't go!"
Well...I wouldnt exactly call someone cheap cause they dont want to pay for a *deluxe* pass which will NOT benefit them to the fullest.
Have you considered that...The person may only have time to go to Kings Island during April & May??? Not everyone has the time/funds to travel back and forth to Kings Island and/or Kings Diminion, to pay for the value of that pass. If someone disagrees with Kings Island's pass incentives that's their right. But I dont think its right, to call them cheap cause they dont think they will get anything out of it. Cause many factors play along as to why someone wouldnt think the pass is a value...........
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Dayuum, Your HOT!
"If I was only going to visit PKI once during the year, it sure isn't going to be in April, and most likeny not even in May"
Can't make that blanket statement. With work scheduels and what have you, April or May might be the only months someone has to visit a park. Case in point... me. We are planning on visiting PKD and BGW the first week in April. We are going to Norfolk VA for two road hockey (AHL) games (Hershey Bears VS Norfolk Admirals). There is a chance that the Bears may fact the Cincinatti Mighty Ducks sometime in April or May. Thus... our only trip to Cincinatti may be in April / May... meaning our only trip to PKI may be in April or May.
It is not a matter of "if you are going to be cheap, don't go". If you wish to visit the same park or the same chain of parks multiple times a year, then by all means get a season pass (we are getting passes for Hershey and, if we do the New York / New England swing, also Six Flags). Now I could take time off work and travel to PKD (about 4 hours away) 5 times this year... or I could make 5 different trips of about the same amount of time and go to Kennywood, SFGrAdv, Morey's Piers, PKD and BGW. For that matter... I could hop a plane, fly to Florida, and hit IOA, SW and BGT as we did last year. Point is... because of time and work schedule... some of us do not have the luxury of making several 5 hour trips to the same park each year and still visit other parks. Besides, implying that someone is "cheap" because they do not buy a season pass to a park is not quite right either. I mean, anyone who makes multiple visits to parks (the same or different parks) certainly is not cheap considering average prices of admission.
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"I wasn't always this cynical, but then I started kindergarden..."
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The point is, it's not fair for PKI to close off queues to the public during operating hours, how could anyone disagree with that? No one is saying that PKI has suddenly become the demon spawn of amusement parks, and they certainly have every right to offer special perks to people who upgrade to a gold pass. It just seems to me to be asking for trouble, and this park has come so far back from the SOB fiasco, they don't need more bad publicity.
That said, PKI has informed you what they plan to do, it's up to you to now decide what *you* will do.
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Have you ever considered that maybe it's not the park that's the problem, but YOU?
CpLady,
You are aware that the 4th is a season pass only day, correct? Just wanted to make sure you didn't end up going down there on the 4th to be turned away for not having a pass.
To be honest, I don't see why so many people are worrying about this. Yes I do have a Gold Pass, and no I am not planning on taking advantage of the ERT. The way I look at it, this is nothing more different than some of the ERTs I have been to where the ride was closed for the public just so enthusiasts could ride it. However, since enthusiasts were riding and not watching, I didn't see a single person complain. If it was the other way around, my guess is there would be more complaints.
Just an observation.
-Sean
For the record... I think that Enthusiasts, just like Gold Pass holders at PKI, should not be entiled to ERT on a given ride during normal operating hours of the park. No one group should of park guests should be given a special perk at the expense of other park guests. Give these people (enthusiasts and Pass holders alike) all the ERT they want when the park is not open to other PAYING customers.
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