No Smoking at Six Flags.
The number pf people above and beyond that number who are allergic to cigarettes is unknown/untrackable.
For every one of those people with asthma, air quality is paramount to their existence.
Remember....you can live WITHOUT a cigarette....they can't live WITH a cigarette.
And remember, just because a person isn't asthmatic or allergic doesn't mean that they want to have their lungs polluted by all the toxic chemicals and carcinogens that your cigarette produce.
Your rights end at my nose. As soon as what you do effects me it effects MY rights.
Forgot a weblink... *** Edited 1/20/2006 4:56:02 PM UTC by redman822***
--George H
All this boils down to is are we willing to compromise. From reading a few of these posts, clearly it shows that a lot of you smokers and non smokers a like have deep opinions that make you unwilling to bend a little to even allow this to work. In my opinion, guest with health issues would have been enough to completely dissolve the smoking issue, but not all guest have this problems and it wouldn't have been fair and would have caused a negative backlash.
Mike
Jeffrey R Smith said:
I wish they would ban stinky people too! I hate breathing in all the BO!
Yeah, since BO is lethal.
Charles Nungester said:
Demand that their little 4% of the population gets the headlines, when in actuality it isn't mainstream at all.
Which is why we're not a true democracy. We want to protect the rights of the minority. (Please see "Civil Rights Movement" or "Women's Suffrage" for more information on protecting the minority) Does it really impede your right to smoke if you're given an area to do so?
I have to admit, this makes me more likely to visit a Six Flags Park (if the rule is actually enforced.) I know most of the smokers don't understand, but someone smoking next to me in line can pretty much ruin my entire day at a park. I understand that not being able to smoke for an entire day may ruin your visit as well, but we're all pretty self-interested.
Now I do have to say that I do NOT think smoking is ok and I do absolutely HATE the habit, but I do try to respect those people's decision the best that I can. (and trust me it is hard)
I sure smokers get enough crap as it is and there are plenty of "good" smokers out there, but there are also plenty of bad ones.
As everyone else has been saying, smoking does affect the people around you no matter how descreatly you do it.
I just dont' understand why people want to do it or keep doing it if it costs so much with taxes these days, it is harmful, it smells, and it polutes (not just air quality...look at all the smokers who throw their butts anywhere they please...even the good ones)
So with the situation with Six Flags and other places putting in a smoking ban, it is a good plan even with a few designated smoking areas. That is better than no compromise at all for anyone. I know that I will be telling people at the park next time I go and see that they are smoking. It is a matter of respect.
And here is one of my favorite quotes:
"Having a smoking section in a *theme park* is like having a peeing section in a swmming pool."
(*add your own place here*)
After all, smoking bans are a way to help people stop smoking or atleast limiting it. I have also thought, if people can last hours on a non-smoking plane, how hard would it be to do the same at a theme park?
rct247 said:
I just dont' understand why people want to do it or keep doing it
Umm have you ever been addicted to anything? There is a drug in cigarettes called nicotine and it is very hard to stop smoking. Even I, a non-smoker, know that! I think that the overall problem is that the bad non-smokers and bad smokers (the ones who stir up trouble) are really not bad, just ignorant about certain things.
Edited for wrong punctuation. *** Edited 1/20/2006 6:57:31 PM UTC by a_hoffman50***
I guess what I ment to say was that I just don't understand why people want to do it with all the known health issues, expense, etc. nor do I understand why people keep doing it because there are many options that people can choose to help fight the addiction such as patches, health benefits, money, support groups, gum, etc.
That's what I really meant.
After all, really how cool is it to stand outside in the cold all alone because you have to have a smoke?
redman822 said:
The percentage of American adults (over 18) who have asthma is at 7.7% and children is 8.8%.The number pf people above and beyond that number who are allergic to cigarettes is unknown/untrackable.
For every one of those people with asthma, air quality is paramount to their existence.
Remember....you can live WITHOUT a cigarette....they can't live WITH a cigarette.
And remember, just because a person isn't asthmatic or allergic doesn't mean that they want to have their lungs polluted by all the toxic chemicals and carcinogens that your cigarette produce.
Your rights end at my nose. As soon as what you do effects me it effects MY rights.
I hate to sound cold an callous (who am I fooling, I *love* being cold and callous :)), but if one has an allergy or asthma or whatever, it is on them to take the proper precautions. As an analogy, my sister, my sister-in-law and one of my wife's co-workers all have severe allergies (mussels, shellfish, and nuts respectively). All these women have to carry benadryl and epi-pens with them each day to ensure against puffing up like a blowfish and having their air supply choked off. But there is no movement to keep Bubba Gumps shrimp out of PKD or walnut fudge out of Holiday World. And before you ask, no, it is not just the ingestion of these foods that can cause reactions, skin contact is enough.
Now, as many know from the previous discussions I am a non-smoker, actually an ex-smoker (going on seven years now :)), but I still appreciate and even defend "smoker's rights". Might be because I live in Virginia, but mostly I just am against so much regulation. Would I like to see less people smoke? Without a doubt, but for *their* health, not mine. I'm not convinced that the risk to me from their momentary wisp of smoke justifys treating them like lepers and shunning them with a scarlett ashtray.
But I'm just an opinionated bastard (aint that right RGW?)
lata, jeremy
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(Clever how I slid the word OLD in there, huh?) Old age and treachery, folks.... :)
Besides, no one wants to get old alone... ;)
Hey, if it were my country, tobacco would be harder to acquire, and consume, than the other smokable product...talk about tax dollars coming in to help eliminate the national debt!
*** Edited 1/21/2006 1:42:14 AM UTC by rollergator***
SFoGswim said:
Drinking is banned, why do people have such a hard time grasping the fact that smoking is banned, too?
Wait.. Drinking is banned where?
If it's at Six Flags parks, you can count me out!
-Josh (Corey's drinking buddy)
Now, as many know from the previous discussions I am a non-smoker, actually an ex-smoker (going on seven years now ), but I still appreciate and even defend "smoker's rights". Might be because I live in Virginia, but mostly I just am against so much regulation.
Congratulations on your kicking the habit tale, but I actually despise anyone not curtious enough to respect that I do not wish to enhale the outputs of their cigs. As much as I would love for everyone and every place to be smoke free, I know that's not going to happen. I couldn't enjoy myself too much at the casinos in california nor Las Vegas because smoking is so abundant.
I personally hate the government regulating and monitoring everything we do as well, but this isn't the government, this is an Amusement park. If I'm not mistaking, Six Flags isn't the only Company with this policy anyway, Lego land, Disney land and California Adventures also have spots for smokers. We should view this as coming into someones house and respecting their house rules. I don't allow anyone to smoke in my car or at my house but they are more than welcome to smoke out on my balconey or patio, which are my make shift smoking areas for my guest at my home.
redman822 said:
The percentage of American adults (over 18) who have asthma is at 7.7% and children is 8.8%.The number pf people above and beyond that number who are allergic to cigarettes is unknown/untrackable.
For every one of those people with asthma, air quality is paramount to their existence.
Remember....you can live WITHOUT a cigarette....they can't live WITH a cigarette.
And remember, just because a person isn't asthmatic or allergic doesn't mean that they want to have their lungs polluted by all the toxic chemicals and carcinogens that your cigarette produce.
Your rights end at my nose. As soon as what you do effects me it effects MY rights.
Forgot a weblink... *** Edited 1/20/2006 4:56:02 PM UTC by redman822***
You say all this crap then don't think twice about starting your car that puts out more carcinagins in one minute than my lifetime of smoking. For any size trip. Ever have a campfire? Grill out?
PUHLEAZE,
I already said I take great care to not incovinence others by my habit.
My rights have nothing to do with your nose.
I got no problem with a no smoking policy as long as a area is avalible.
Chuck, Who would like to tell foul mouthed kids that their rights end at my ears :) *** Edited 1/21/2006 2:21:10 AM UTC by Charles Nungester***
Basically, having a smoking section at an amusement park, is like having one in a restaurant. Well, except you can eat at the one in the restaurant but you can't ride a rollercoaster while smoking a cigarette.
I totally side with John on this one. Some people sound so totally closed minded about smoking and drinking. I've never smoked, so I don't claim to know anything about it. not even these so-called "facts" that are thrown around on a daily basis anymore. I'm an avid drinker, however ;-) (speaking of...it's friday night so I'll be heading out soon.)
-Josh
Charles Nungester said:
...don't think twice about starting your car that puts out more carcinagins in one minute than my lifetime of smoking.
That was a very grand statement. So being the nerd I am I did a quick google search to see if there were any comparisons between the two. I found an article about a study that was conducted comparing a turbo diesel 2 liter engine running for 30 minutes compared to 3 cigarettes sequentially burning for 30 minutes. The study found that cigarette smoke particulate levels were 10 times higher than the engine, after one hour of sitting and airing out.
Now sure the article didn't specifically mention carcinogens but it does show that difference between 3 cigarettes and a diesel engine can be very significant. Now comparing 1 minute of engine exhaust and a lifetime of cigarettes sounds sickening.
If anybody has links to studies with older engines or different results I would be interested in seeing them.
Dave Dragon, go Dave Dragon, and the Star Force Five!
If it were true then nobody would ever have to smell, hear, taste or see anything that they'd prefer not to. We could all have our own plastic hamster balls to run around in instead of just our theoretical 'personal space'.
To take this to obscene proportions. I am burning a lot of wood fires this winter in an effort to save on my natural gas bills. I can smell it when I'm outside and the neighbors can too. How long until this isn't allowed because one of my neighbors doesn't like the smell of or is allergic to smoke?
Again, I have no problem with smoking areas in the parks. I just hope the parks have an adequate amount located throughout the park, instead of one located at a remote corner of the park. Private companies are free to set their own smoking policies, I respect that right.
Now go run a hose from your tailpipe through the speaker hole and sit in your car for a hour.
You wil not survive.
PLEASE, Don't ever do this. This was a example. The Carbon Monoxide from your tailpipe is a thousand times that of three cigaretes or even three cartons burning at once.
Chuck, who understands non smokers and those with allergies aggrivation with UNTHOUGHTFULL smokers. But be mindfull that you never do nothing to annoy others. Subwoofer, Driving your car without a cadalidic coverter, BO. Whaterver! :)
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