No re-entry after 7? Kings Island.

Boy, people are touchy. I wasn't the first person to mention how everyone seemed to be going along with this policy as opposed to when SF first mentioned the idea of no re-entry. I don't care what anyone's individual experience or level of caring is. But Gonch, I have a hard time believing you don't care when you came up with such a detailed re-entry scheme as you did.

I think in general if someone at one of these parks just shrugs and says OK when they're told they're not allowed to leave and re-enter because we'll think you're a troublemaker is just one more lemming.

And then what happens when parks tell us it's not just for Halloween anymore? Who's causing the problems in the parking lot then?

You can come up with "what if's" all day long to support your argument, but until they happen, they really don't reinforce your position. If that scenario panned out, sure, I'd be annoyed.

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Jeff said:
And everyone else I'm sure agrees, but there's a much higher tendency for it to happen near urban parks, again, as we've seen in countless stories over the years (SFA, SFOG, SFGAdv, among others).

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You're kidding about Great Adventure, right?

That park has been the poster child for poorly-behaved crowds for decades, dating back to a period in the 80's when a haunted house fire killed guests and guests were stabbing other guests with knives. Great Adventure is nowhere near an urban area. Between the Philadelphia area and northern NJ, there isn't a single urban area to be found. Jackson is surrounded by forests and farms.

The same goes for parks like Kings Island. It's miles from a major population center, and people looking to start trouble aren't going to pay to ride a bus to the park and pay to get into the park- they're going to cause trouble where it's cheap and convenient. It's not like borderline criminals are going to go out of their way to cause trouble at a Neiman-Marcus when there's a perfectly good K-Mart right down the block.

It's foolish to think drunken violence and drug abuse is more likely in urban areas. Taking population into account, I'm pretty sure the figures would be more or less the same. People get trashed on cheap liquor and get baked in the backwoods just as they do in major cities. If any of those people want to do any of that before going to an amusement park, they're going to do it before they go in for the first time if they can't go out to their cars and come back in. All this type of policy is doing is changing when people are going to get all messed up, it's not going to solve the problem... if there was a problem in the first place. Go to a football game and when you see how many people there are completely messed up, the local amusement park looks like a Sunday church service.

One last time. IT WAS ALWAYS THE NO RE-ENTRY policy at KI since Fearfest started. Paramount or CF. No difference.

While I don't like a No Re-entry policy for full day operations. I see nothing wrong for this special event.

Chuck

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RatherGoodBear said:
But Gonch, I have a hard time believing you don't care when you came up with such a detailed re-entry scheme as you did.

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Nah, took a few seconds. I'm good like that. :)

What I'm interested in (and I said such at the beginning of this thread) is why people are overwhelmingly ok with this but overwhelmingly were not ok with it when the no re-entry at SF rumors floated around.

Turns out it was a time issue.

I suggested an alternative all-day no re-entry policy that kept similar time standards as the setup people are ok with, but covered a full day like the system people weren't ok with. Just wondered how people felt.

And to reiterate, it doesn't affect me personally - my park visiting habits will not change one bit no matter what any park does with their re-entry policies.

Summary: I'm interested in what others think of different policies, but I don't care about the policies personally.

Well HH is for teens and above, A few hours long and on prime drinking nights open later than normal.

A normal day is 12 hours long, for families and 90 percent in the daylight.

Yeah, I gotta go get the diapers from the car, umbrella. Contact cleaner ect. I think that is absolutely necessary for a full day.

However, I see the parking lanes full at 10pm on a saturday night for HH.

Chuck

Actually, Gonch. It doesn't affect me personally either. I don't attend Halloween types events at parks-- at least the haunted kind. And as far as going to parks goes, I generally go mid or late afternoon till closing.

At this point, I'm just making comments and waiting to see how long it takes Jeff to respond with some off the wall comment why my opinion is wrong or why any point I make is invalid.

Yeah, because I really have it out for you. It's totally personal. You'll have to wait until you say something I disagree with. Or we can all agree oj everything. Wouldn't that make for interesting conversation?

You go to a concert- you're in or your out and you don't come back. Same with sporting events from Ohio State football to high school basketball. Same with a lot of nightclubs. It's just an extention of that safe and, as far as I'm concerned, sane policy.

While I concede that an evening at a theme park is usually a longer stay than a 3 hour concert or sporting event, they make it perfectly clear at the gate, before anybody has a chance to make a mistake, that if you leave then that's it. They have the right to set their own policies and buyer beware. They certainly aren't lacking for business on account of it.

RCMAC: I certainly appreciate what you are saying. For me, the problem is that re-entering the park any other time during the year is simply not a problem. Concerts, football games, and the like are all consistent policies and they are likely expected by anyone attending the event. As well, seven minutes earlier I would have been able to leave and come back. In my eyes, that certainly makes the policy more frustrating. It's almost as if to say that during a football game you can leave and come back during the first quarter, but you may not do so during the rest of the quarters.

In all, I suppose it's not a huge deal, although it did hinder our ability to enjoy our time to its fullest. Plus, I paid for premium parking for the sole purpose of being able to (easily) go out and get our stuff. Furthermore, the signs may be before the gate, which I did not see, but no one has said anything about there being signs before purchasing your parking. Granted, it's only $5, but it's $5 I would not have spent had I known that re-entering would not be allowed, or it's $5 I could have spent in the park.

Of course, at concerts they don't want you going to your car to get drunk. They want you to buy beer inside instead of going out to your car.

As I mentioned earlier, there were beer stands all over the park. There were many obviously intoxicated people utilizing the services offered by those stands as well.

No one's telling anybody they can't leave and re-enter--- no theme park, no concert, no sporting event. They're telling you that you can't leave and expect to get back in with your original ticket stub, receipt, whatever. They will gladly let you in as long as you purchase another ticket, as long as the concert or sporting event isn't sold out.

Way to state the obvious. ;)

By the way, since very few people would even consider doing that, they are, therefore, essentially telling you that you cannot leave and come back.

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That's true, RatherGoodBear, but the venue knows that we won't do that. I suppose you wouldn't necessarily lose your seat at that show or ball game, as you'd still have your original ticket stub. But to pay even 24.95 (in KI's case) to be able to re-enter would turn that into a very expensive buzz for most of us. Better to buy the expensive beer in the park. And for the few that do fork over another 25 bucks because they need their Jack, well, that's a few that got by. As Infamy notes, there's no shortage of drunk people there, anyway.

And Infamy, you make a good case, especially about the parking. Once again, though, this is where things get muddied in a transitional period. Next year when HH is a separate ticket all that goes away. The daytime visitors and season passers will have in and out, the nighttime folks will not. (If they're wise, they'll have their buzz on ,their sweatshirts on, and clean diapers with them before they come in!) I still think it's a good idea. Perhaps they should rethink selling preferred parking for the HH next year, tho.

Isn't it funny how the folks who visit Cedar Point will never have to worry about this happening? As I see it they will never go to separate ticket, or a no pass-out policy.

Infamy, it needed to be stated. :)

At many concerts or arenas, you'd have to buy a brand new ticket to get back in. Hopefully you'd be able to see and wave to the rest of your party.

RC, it would be an expensive buzz. Or an expensive going for a jacket, or taking something out to the car, etc. More obviousness (is that a word?)-- going to get drunk isn't the only reason why people would ever want to leave a park and come back. Why do parks insist that it is?

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Hopefully you'd be able to see and wave to the rest of your party.

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Technically, once you pay for another ticket to get in you could use the first to go back to your original seat. That assumes the venue is being hardcore about the seating - in my experience, most times they're not.

There are many reasons that CP will not go to a seperate ticket that do not apply to KI:

-The talent in their houses are volunteers, working to make money for an organization. If you had a separate ticket event they would lose 12 hours of working time (more then half) between Saturday 3-7 and Sunday 12-8 when the houses couldn't be open

-Cedar Point has a policy of letting their lines clear when the park closes, Cedar Point's major coasters boast 3+ hour waits on normal days, therefore you would need 3-3.5 hours with the park closed in order to clear the park (that would mean Saturday the park would be open to normal guests from 12-3:30) or you would have to institute a policy of closing the rides at closing time and sending a four 3+ hour long lines screaming towards customer relations

-CP has less haunts (5 houses including a kiddie house, 3 scare zones) then the up charges and what they do have is on the sparse side (baring the scare zones) there is no way I would pay extra for what they offer now, a major upgrade would need to be done.

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Lord Gonchar said:

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Hopefully you'd be able to see and wave to the rest of your party.

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Technically, once you pay for another ticket to get in you could use the first to go back to your original seat. That assumes the venue is being hardcore about the seating - in my experience, most times they're not.

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Unless you got a better seat than you originally had. ;)

I think the main reason this will not work at CP is that they've got a lot for guests to do just outside the park.

Hotels. They promote CP as a resort, with 2 hotels on site, 1 off, a campground, cottages, and a marina. They surely can't keep weekend guests from going back and forth to their rooms no matter what time of day.

Restaurants. They have several dining options from casual to finer that are outside the park gates, some in hotels and some not, and they would like guests to use them. Those that are discouraged with lines for food in the park, especially on Saturday, should try one of these.

Challenge Park. Go karts, miniature golf, a sky coaster and a beach. They remain open till the end of the season and are a draw for the resort hotels.

Walk out of Kings Island and what do you find? The parking lot. Nowhere to go but home and nothing to do.

Add to this the fact that CP is more of a destination. I may get crucified for this, but I believe CP probably has more guests that travel farther and stay longer than at KI. There is no "local" market for CP, the closest folks come from Cleveland or Toledo and all come expecting to spend the entire day. Having lived in Sandusky, I can attest to the fact that the locals pretty much make it a point to stay away, and it's hardly the metro area that Cincinnati is. Everyone you see at CP has come some distance.