New GravGroup woodie for Texas

Chuck wasn't talking about the 1/6th of the ride, but the rough spot right before the last 90 degree bank. It was rough from day one and considerably smoother at the end of the season actually. I think the tweaks he mentioned were in reference to the 1/6th of the ride.

It will be interesting to see if El Toro ever roughens up enough that actually feels like a wood coaster.

the lifthills a sixth of the ride.

If you like ET better, thats fine IMHO but I don't spat hate speach at ET just because I like Voyage.

Chuck, who's pointed out several well known woodies that get a ton of maintence and need it regularly and finds half the fault of trackwork to be PTC trains, Of which both Intamin and GCII have better.

WOW!! I counted 42 Crossovers!! This ride is a record breaker for crossovers that is!!

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Acoustic Viscosity said:It will be interesting to see if El Toro ever roughens up enough that actually feels like a wood coaster.

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Arte Johnson says: "Verrrrrrry eeeeenteresting"....hadn't considered what Toro MIGHT feel like when those laminated-beam running rails begin to age - we always talked about how they're easier to REPLACE when the need arises. I also might like Toro more when it ages a little - not that I didn't love it in the first place....but I'm of average stature.. ;)

Depends on what you call easier to replace? Given SF stellar record in maintaining wood coasters (Expecially that park) it will probably get pretty bad before it gets it's lovin.

Go down to the lumber yard, Get your wood and replace it or order it from Intamin and wait a few weeks and hire a crane to handle each section.

Doesn't sound so easy now does it?

Chuck

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Acoustic Viscosity said:
I think the tweaks he mentioned were in reference to the 1/6th of the ride.

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To refresh one's memory, the park said "Following seven weeks of track work on The Voyage (with a grand total of 1,120 feet of track replaced) it was time to test out the workmanship." - 1100 feet replaced, not just tweaked.

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Charles Nungester said:
If you like ET better, thats fine IMHO but I don't spat hate speach at ET just because I like Voyage.

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So its hateful to say that the ride is tearing itself apart when even the park noticed that it needed some serious work?? or is it hateful that I sent in a ballot to mitch with 11 coasters ahead of the Voyage? *** Edited 12/7/2006 4:35:12 PM UTC by Jophish***

Eh, Again, The ride isn't tearing itself apart. The trains are. GCII trains on it or intamin trailered trains would probably have produced almost 0 track work but Intamin and GCII don't offer trains no non company coasters.

So what are HW and TGG to do? Put the best THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM ON IT.

I don't care if you have voyage 176th if thats your taste, The proofs in the poll, more liked Voyage than ET or Balder that had ridden any two of the three or all three than disliked it.

One last thing, How do you reprofile without replacing? Sonny neede almost 1000 ft replaced, THATS AFTER A day and a half of operation not a year of which Voyage never got too bad to ride.

I honestly don't know why you should care if the rides tearing itself up or not but still you find a reason to dislike the coaster for that reason? Go figure.

All that polls prooves is that some people will always hate sf no matter what. A poll does not prove what coaster people think is better because people will always take the aprk into consideration and not judge the coaster fairly.

I doubt thats true tom. Some of my favorite woodies just so happen to be at parks I like least. SFKK for one and Thunder Run. Villain made my top five and still is when it was a SF park.

No sir, don't see any merit in that reply.

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Charles Nungester said:
Eh, Again, The ride isn't tearing itself apart. The trains are. GCII trains on it or intamin trailered trains would probably have produced almost 0 track work but Intamin and GCII don't offer trains no non company coasters.

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oh, I am sorry for not considering the trains to be a part of the ride. I guess for that matter, NO ride EVER tears itself apart.

Also I'm pretty sure Intamin doesn't do their trains in-house -- oh, and the crappy woodie in Spain uses "Intamin" trains.

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I honestly don't know why you should care if the rides tearing itself up or not but still you find a reason to dislike the coaster for that reason? Go figure.

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Who said I disliked the ride? I liked it a lot! I didn't "love" it though, if that means I disliked it. I also don't think that this has much (if any) bearing on my opinion since I rode Voyage in May and this news came out last week.

with that I am done. sorry for continuing off track.

I'm getting kind of sick of people saying the Voyage getting a thousand or so feet of track replaced means it tore itself apart. I look at it like this: I once toured Kennywood early in the day with some of the maintenance crew there and was informed that the Jackrabbit gets track inspected and replaced as needed continually throughout the year. To me the fact that the Voyage was still not only rideable but also still extremely enjoyable at the end of the year speaks volumes to me about the high quality of the Voyage's design and tracking (if not necessarily its trains, but at the moment PTCs are still unquestionably best running stock outside of GCII's flyers... I mean would you really prefer the Voyage run Gerstlauers if it meant less retracking?).

Sure, it got 1/6th of its track replaced, but is that really so bad? How many other rides routinely get 1/6th of their track replaced... or perhaps a better question is how many other rides routinely could use 1/6th of their track replaced, but don't get it because of a skimpy maintenance budget or simply because the park doesn't know how to maintain a woodie? Also how many other rides are as aggressive as the Voyage?

It's neither surprising nor at all a negative thing to me that the Voyage had "so much" track replaced, especially since HW could do it for the next 20 years and still be short of the price tag of a similarly sized B&M or even a custom Intamin PnP. *** Edited 12/7/2006 9:40:02 PM UTC by BBSpeed26***

The general consensus among "people who know" is that wooden coasters have everything above the supports - track bed, rails, etc...replaced every 5-7 years (i.e., 14-20%/year)...and that has been *relatively* constant for over 100 years.

I think Voyage's work constitutes *routine reconstruction*...you never stop building a wooden coaster... ;)

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Thing is, you have four wheels on a stiff frame with a PTC and even with articulation at some points, Expecially in Voyages Profile only two wheels are down while two are riding the upstops of each car.

A MF train does not twist like this, The whole car leans and pivots individually with the track, The only time they hit the upstops is on a airtime hill.

Legend is famous for both when it ran G trains and PTC's for making a POP sound just prior to the helix of the upstop slamming the track. As Rideman pointed out, yeah theres some articulation which helps them to turn but bascially it's the same 80 year old design that runs on Coney's Cyclone.

Chuck

So for anyone who cares....I'm almost done with the No Limits recreation. :)

if you can send it to me in the NLtrack file. Id love to see it Matt!

Chuck

So where in the park are they going to build this woodie? I hope they don't have to remove anything to build it. AFAIK it will only take up an acre. Are there any room left (VACANT land) for a few other rides such as a large drop tower without having to remove anything. But nothing can be a better addition than a world class woodie so if anything happens to be removed it would definately be inferior to the new woodie.

My first "draft" of the No Limits model is done: It's not my best work, but petty sweet if I do say so myself.

http://www.inverter.btinternet.co.uk/TexasGGWoodie.nltrack

Be sure to read the track info when you load it into the editor. Siome adjustments have to be made to train length depending on which version of No Limits you are using. Enjoy the ride.

Are you on a trial version Matt? I can't get it to run. It says I must buy NL and I already have it.

Chuck

No. That's odd. No one else I've sent it to has had that issue.

Perhps you have the demo and the full version installed? Or do did you upgrade to 1.6 and not delete 1.55? Try opening the file from within the program and make sure the program still shows the registration codes entered.