New coaster at Canada's wonderland. Why?

LostKause, thank you for very respectfully pointing out your view, and I agree with it. If all members posted in the way you do, it'd be a much more pleasant discussion.

And for the posters claiming that my posts are annoying or not worth reading, then don't read them? I will take the time to clarify and respond to whoever responds to me. I am sure that there are many others that agree with my viewpoints, like it or not. There is no need to post insults just because - that creates an unpleasant environment for everyone and contributes nothing.

Jeff, yes, you were not responding to what I was vouching for: variety. Anyone can read my original September 17, 2011, 5:45AM and September 18, 2011, 4:47AM post and your September 18, 2011, 7:46AM response. This is where you started an argument about capacity. It had little to do with variety.

This ride makes perfect sense for CW. I can't explain why exactly, but being a season pass member for years now I know that it makes sense.

The difference between Behemoth/Leviathon, and Millie/Maggy aside from all the other points posted already is this. When Millenium Force was built was Magnum easily the most popular coaster at cedar point? I would guess Raptor, and maybe even Mantis had longer lines. Behemoth is so far and away the most popular ride at CW it's not even funny. No one is going to skip behemoth when there is soooo many other crap rides to skip before it.

The point about variety make sense from an enthusiest perspective, but the GP at CW are happy to wait in line 45 min for Vekoma, and TOGO inverts... as well as a volare flyer. So although a floorless or a wing rider makes sense in some ways lets not forget that a 300' B&M mega coaster is 100 times more excitting than any other steel coaster that could have been built.

Holly! I gotta log in more often, I cant believe all the good stuff I've been missing.

IMHO, I think there are far too many opinions of the new ride. The only proof to the outcome of Leviathan I have seen so far, is opinion.

Show me some hard facts and statistics, and I will discard my comments.

Here.

DKNY6363 said:
No one is going to skip behemoth when there is soooo many other crap rides to skip before it.

Now see, this is a good point. Remember, I have never been to Canada's Wonderland. So, if the park really is loaded with crappy rides, then the Leviathan effect on Behemoth might not be felt for decades (if ever).

But, make no mistake, I was never saying that Behemoth is going to be sending empty trains and Leviathan is going to be a 5 hour wait next year. I was talking with time...the best investment to infinity would seem to be excellent variety in your offerings to me (especially when those crappy rides get replaced).

But as CoasterDiscern mentions, this is only opinion. :)

I'm still trying to figure out what 'proof to the outcome of Leviathan' means.

I think the point that was trying to be made, was that in 10-20 years people still might be lining up for Leviathan, but not as much Behemoth, because of how similar they are...

But, at that point, the park would have already made the investment back in revenue many times over... So, maybe, but, meh?

Yes Jonny, that was the point. It does seem like a meh point now. But roller coasters aren't cheap, and who knows what direction Quimet takes the company. As the parks are getting saturated with coasters, new ones might not come as often as we are used to.

So, if people are lusting afer a B&M Dive Machine, Flyer, Wing Rider, etc...your hopes might be squashed for another decade at CW (and by then, I'm sure there will be something even more desirable). I'd think a new family-style coaster would be next in line, and that might not come for another 5 years if CP is any indication.

I guess it's just that I've already experienced a B&M hyper. I want a new and exciting experience, and I'd think many would be in the same boat. The park is supposed to have a 5-year plan, right? So, why didn't they just make Behemoth that new variety and follow through with Leviathan this year.

I am excited to see B&M go over 300 ft though, and I think Leviathan will be an amazing ride, don't get me wrong.

The end of your post summed it all up. This isn't what you wanted. Which is all fine and dandy, but has nothing to do with whether the tow rides will go down as good investments.

But it's all about me, isn't it?

Vator! Sorry, I know it must be hard for you to understand. Thanks for the link too, it was all new to me. An outcome is usually considered the finish or completion of something. Stay with me here. Leviathen has no outcome yet, since its not built and has no ridders to ride it. I'm reading opinions on why its a bad thing the park is going to have two of the same style ride, and others protesting why this is a great thing, and why the park is going to make even more money. There is no outcome, its all just specualtion and opinion to me.

They are getting Leviathan because Behemoth is sinking.

This thread makes my head a splode!

Yeah *Vator*, the ride has no *ridders* yet. I suspect it is very hard for a lot of people to understand. ;)

Why Not!
I think CP should put another Millennium Force in
Why Not
Just think we'll only have to wait in line for 20 Min. then

lol Just go the weekend after Labor Day.

I agree with Knotts. There was a period where CW was getting the shaft even though the attendance called for higher capacity coasters. The Flyer? The SLC? The Fly? Backlot? Definitely nice that they are getting custom coasters that will work the crowds better.

As far as it being similar to Behemoth...is that all that uncommon for parks to have same type coasters with different heights or layouts. Many parks do that (wooden coasters anyone, looping coasters anyone). The general public doesn't care or notice as much as us.

Now, that is not to say that MIA doesn't need or could use a big coaster. There time will probably come. I think they shocked us with Shivering Timbers when it was announced.

In the end, it is about business. CW is a proven performer and can afford it! Let's be happy they are spending that money somewhere.

Kev

^Kev, I think most of the conversation has been in the context of Cedar Fair owning those parks. So it's a bit different ... their method of both running the park(s) and adding new attractions.

Oh yeah - welcome to Coasterbuzz :)

Yeah CD....I get that, my point was two things.

A- Business wise, it makes sense to keep investing in CW as heavy as they are doing lately. They are investing in MIA too, just on a smaller scale. Smaller park, smaller market, etc...means years between huge attractions.

B- the argument that they shouldn't add similar rides, but with different layouts is not that strong. As many parks have similar attractions, especially before the 70s when coasters were basically all the same type.

Thanks for the welcome

Kev

cubkev said:
attractions, especially before the 70s when coasters were basically all the same type.

Mind Bender, Revolution, Sooperdooperlooper and Shockwave were quite different than Corkscrew, Corkscrew, Double Loop and Corkscrew :)

Colossus and Texas Cyclone were quite different than Rebel Yell and Racer...

Thanks for the welcome

You bet!

Exactly! See, in the 70s, technology was changing or advancing and we were seeing a branching out of the different styles.
Even so, rides like Corkscrew and Double loop, same company, same style, just different heights and layouts.
Before the 70s, Many parks had numerous wooden coasters....different layouts, same style or basic ride format.
Even more recent though..parks have done that. take Kings Dominion having 4 wooden coasters. Different layouts and heights.
So...most park patrons don't care if there is two rides in the same park that might be made by same company. If the layout and the look are different...they don't care.

Kev