Lots of new attractions at Cedar Fair parks next year...HMMMMM.

This is a great example of context when looking at past "announced plans." Back in '99 the economy was booming, gas was around $1.20 a gallon, and it wasn't a pain in the butt to travel by plane. Recent history should tell us that plans can change based on $$. Heck, most of us believed that HRP would give it at least 3 seasons to become viable.

Just because a plan is announced, doesn't mean that it will pan out in the estimated time span, or even pan out at all. No promises were broken. Stuff happens and for some reason Cedar Fair doesn't think MiA can support a campground, 300-room hotel or a hyper coaster. Just like the 600ft coaster on the Stratosphere in Las Vegas, or any of the other plans announced in the past.

Shoot, I bet back in '99 Gonch was wiping his butt with $100's instead of $50's today.

~Rob

And where are the flying cars that were announced and planned for back in the day? WHERE ARE MY FLYING CARS!!!!

Flying cars? How about a jetpack? Can we get a damn jetpack already?!

Think about this: the version of the future presented in Back to the Future Part II is now two years away. So "they" only have two years to produce:

-Flying cars

-15 more Jaws films

-Self-lacing sneakers

-Hoverboards

-Video games where you don't use your hands

-Hydrated pizzas

-A speedy judicial process

HeyIsntThatRob? said:

Shoot, I bet back in '99 Gonch was wiping his butt with $100's instead of $50's today.

Correction.

Gonch's servants were wiping his butt with $100's.

I'll leave it up to your imagination to decide whether the current situation is servants wiping with $50's instead or my doing my own dirty work but still using $100's.

Either way the point remains - cuts had to be made.

Bakeman31092 said:

-Video games where you don't use your hands

I don't specifically remember what this was like in the movie, but between DDR and Kinect, I'd say we have this one covered .

Tekwardo said:

Let me make sure I understand:

Travis making fun of TimberRider = Acceptable

Anyone making fun of Travis = Totally unacceptable

Okay, got it.

I wasn't making fun of Timber-Rider. I was just stating that I think that Timber-Rider's views on the subject are about like I would imagine a twelve-year-old would think about the subject. I didn't mention Timber-Rider at all. I respect his passion on the subject, and enjoy his posts,even if I disagree with it. I do not respect your constant posts trying to make me look bad, Teknoscorpion. They add nothing to the conversation. Why do we always have to talk about each other and not the topic at hand?

If every two posts I commented that Timber-Rider thinks like a twelve-year-old kid, mocking him over and over, even when we aren't talking about anything remotely connected to Timber-Rider or how people think about business, over and over, and over again, for no reason at all except to get a rise out of him, then yes, it would be hypocritical, as you are suggesting.

This is why I can't make myself post here more than once a week. Why is it even your business, Teknoscorpion? I don't even know you. I wasn't even talking to you. Leave me alone, please.

Hey Timber-Rider:

Can I ask you a question? (Or two.)

Now, my understanding of your position -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- is that Cedar Fair is deliberately not expanding Michigan's Adventure in order to protect the profitability of Cedar Point.

To me, that means that Cedar Fair is a company focused on increasing profits.

So: if Cedar Fair knows that Michigan's Adventure would be a much more profitable operation if it was expanded, if it had a number of major ride installations, if it had a hotel and a campground, but is not investing in these additions in order to protect Cedar Point....

...why?

Why would Cedar Fair decrease profitability (by keeping Michigan's Adventure "under-expanded") to increase profitability? It doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, dexter, I'm sure TR was fine being compared to a 12 year old. It wasn't insulting at all. If you don't like people talking to you or responding to you, mayhaps an internet message board is a bad idea.

Slither noggin, I've given up completely on trying to figure him out. It's not a conspiracy. It's business. He doesn't seem to get it. There's no changing his mind, so why bother?

I don't mind people talking to me or responding to me here. I'm a pretty friendly guy. I don't have problems with anyone else here. You appear to be the one person who keeps attacking me every chance you get. It's exhausting. Again, I don't know you. You don't have to reply to my every post with disapproval. It's kind of stalkerish, and it has taken a lot of fun out of the CoasterBuzz experience.

CoasterBuzz was the reason I got a computer way back when not everyone had a computer. I've been posting here for at least a decade. "Maybe a message board is a bad idea" is such a stupid thing for you to say to me.

You accuse me of bullying, even though you have become the resident CoasterPlaya?

It's bullying when I do it, but it's a simple comment when you do it. Ok.

You're so one sided. But I'm gonna quit here before Jeff has to ask us to.

Tek: I don't expect him to answer, really. But I thought I'd ask.

I don't see, nor have I ever understood people thinking that businesses deliberately do things to upset them.

Sometimes, yes, businesses make huge mistakes. Both Cedar Fair and Cedar Point (and for that matter, Disney) have had their share of people in power who stayed on past their expiration date and made really poor decisions.

Which is why, when I see the current leadership in both companies doing something that maximizes profit and drives down costs, I can't understand why people actually think they should blow a bunch of money, just to make one or 2 dozen people really happy, when the rest of the people supporting the companies are fine with what they offer at the time.

Tek, Travis, I love you both, but please take some good advice from Ari Gold:

Bakeman31092 said:

Think about this: the version of the future presented in Back to the Future Part II is now two years away. So "they" only have two years to produce:

-Flying cars
-15 more Jaws films
-Self-lacing sneakers
-Hoverboards
-Video games where you don't use your hands
-Hydrated pizzas
-A speedy judicial process

Don't forget regulation of the weather. On second thought, we've achieved that as well in the last thirty years, having cranked the weather control up to 11 and subsequently broken off the knob...

This reminds me of how I felt when I was 10 and the "other" Great America got this huge wooden roller coaster and "we" didn't. No fair! :)

Just be happy it is being operated profitably...otherwise, you might have to drive all the way to the "Mother" park.

But it's not fair to operate MiA profitably! I want it to have more roller coasters!

When I go to an amusement park, I don't go around bemoaning how poorly it compares to other parks; I enjoy MiA as it is, great park.

Another thing they proposed after Cedar fair purchased the park, is a Castaway Bay type park at MA, that is until they saw the demise of the Double JJ ranch, and it's water park, and other water parks in Michigan that went out of business. The area would never be able to support it. That's why I say that MA will never be another Geauga Lake. If they were stupid enough to do that, MA would be out of business quick.

Double JJ... Is that redundant?

That is the name of the place.