Knoebels announces they are working on a classic!

There is a twister at Guntown Mountain. I don't know how it is run because I didn't see anybody riding and I certainly wasn't going on it!

I see octopi at local carnivals every now and then. I don't keep track of carnivals too closely though so I couldn't tell you which ones have it. I feel like I've seen them at parks too but I can't remember which ones.

The bumper cars at Delgrosso's are pretty good. New cars but they run pretty fast and the park gives a decent ride cycle

The only other Twister I know if is at OC, MD - it's a Chance model but it is manually operated (and operated correctly at that).

In regards to bumper cars - Chuck, I am guessing you are not addressing Lusse only. Obviously Rye's are great but not as great as they used to be with the new fiberglass cars.

Other than Knoebels, the bumpers that really give me a my $'s worth are Astrolands (CI) or the El Dorado (CI) - Bump Bump Bump your ass off!

jimvid

The El Dorado bumper cars at CI surprised me when we rode last spring. They're probably my second-favorite set, right behind the obvious first choice!

I thought the cars at Rye were your favorite? Oh, that "incident" soured you on them. ;)

WOW!

I take a little hiatus from this place and come back to find this?

My, my, my, "What Has Happened To CoasterBuzz?" ;)

I will admit that this thread has been an entirely entertaining read...

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coasterdude318 said:
I didn't come in here challenging people's opinions about the flying turns. Everyone was saying it was going to be an awesome ride. I said *nothing* to refute that. I said it sounded like an odd decision with little point.

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Isn't building awesome rides that people will pay for the ENTIRE point of an amusement park?

Later,
EV

Reithoffer Shows also has a Chance Twister. It usually makes it's way to one of the local 3 Reithoffer Shows in my area. I've even seen one set up in a parking lot carnival several years ago. Can't remember who the carnival operator's were though.

Let's go back to 1968 and 1969. As a young kid in Cleveland, those were the years my mom finally thought I was old enough to go on the Flying Turns. I received some of the most thrilling and fun roller coaster rides in my life on the Flying Turns during those two years.

You people who are too young to have ridden a Flying Turns, and are criticizing Knoebel's plans, have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This new ride at Knoebels will be GREAT, and will be the talk of the industry.

The Flying Turns at Euclid Beach was absolutely safe, with no injury causing accident in its history. It was a seemingly endless series of left and right turns with amazing transitions between the turns that made you feel like you were swooping out of the sky. The cars went up the side of the trough much higher than a modern steel bobsled. Sometimes just a little past vertical. You felt no lateral forces, just down forces with a delicious feeling of lightness during the transition between turns. Not airtime, but actually a better sensation.

The ride felt totally out of control. Wild and fast, with the small cars adding to the feeling of speed. This ride was legendary in the Cleveland area at the time, and many kid's bragging rights revolved around riding the Flying Turns.

People like Coasterdude will have to eat crow after this new ride is in operation. Everyone will LOVE this ride!

Yes Moosh, you're pretty much right on about the location of the tea cups. It's also near the one pizza shop, which has some of the best pizza I've ever tasted. IIRC, it's also near the paratroopers.

Steve, who hasn't seen a 7 page thread on Knoebels for years, well, ever. ;)

Hey Ascough! Maybe Nate's last name is "wall" cause many here sure feel like they're talking to one, eh? ;)

Exactly. It's like trying to reason with someone in a coma. But it is fun to see him come back time and time again so that he can dig his hole a little deeper.

Is it cold and damp down there, Nate?

I found another Crazy Dazy at Canobie Lake. :)

If you check the Knoebels website, and click on rides and attractions, they give details on just about every ride in the park. Either when the ride was installed, or from whom the ride was purchased. Example: Tea Cups, installed in 1986. The picture that accompanies it shows the ride in the open air, with Paratrooper in the background.

Rob, my vote is for "Idiot," if those are my only choices.

Coasterdude, you keep talking about misinterpretation, blah, blah, blah. and how no one has been able to answer your question. Well, you've been dodging around in here faster than a train through a Flying Turns. You've gone from asking what the benefits of the ride would be to DEMANDING a list of what rides and ride concepts Knoebels has resurrected. As though you're the only one who could judge them worthy to build the ride. I'm sure they're waiting for your blessing.

And I must admit, I still don't get this "resurrected" technology bit. Just because the last of these rides was built around 70 years ago, doesn't mean the technology is "extinct." There is still plenty of wood around, there are ways to construct wooden troughs (and probably better and more efficiently than in 1934-- there was no such thing as laminated wood back then), connections can be made stronger between structural members.

Get it through your skull already, Nate, they're talking about building a ride, not f****** resurrecting Walt Disney!

I didn't "demand" anything. I asked for a list of technology that Knoebels has resurrected from the dead because people kept saying Knoebels had done it, and I wasn't aware of any such thing. I could build a wooden roller coaster today and that wouldn't be "resurrecting" anything. I could then base that design on the design of an older ride, but it's still just a wooden roller coaster with technology identical to hundreds of rides in operation today.

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jimvid said:
The Mack bobsleds use Barlett's Flying Turns technology and I believe their first model opened in 1985. That would make an 11 year gap in the technology.

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The Mack Bobsleds use the idea of Bartlett's Flying Turns, but not the same technology (obviously one is made of wood and one is made of steel). It's very possible (even probable) that Mack based their ride off old blueprints, but the fact remains that the construction is entirely different.

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Knoebels rebuilt the Twister based upon blueprints for the original. Knoebels is rebuilding the flying turns based upon blueprints for the original. It's as simple as that.

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Whoooosh! Right over your head! Wooden coaster technology exists (and is in use) today. Flying turns technology is not. How many times do I honestly need to explain that distinction? If you don't believe that's cause of a unique challenge, fine, but there is an OBVIOUS difference between the two situations.

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People like Coasterdude will have to eat crow after this new ride is in operation. Everyone will LOVE this ride!

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Yeah, except I never said anthing about people not LOVING this ride.

-Nate
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Technology? People have been secretly practicing that high-tech, cutting-edge, lost and oh-so-ephemeral and esoteric science of wheels-to-wood at these places called uh, 'roller skating rinks' for decades now.

If not centuries.

Technology. Hah.

-'Playa

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coasterdude318 said:

Whoooosh! Right over your head! Wooden coaster technology exists (and is in use) today. Flying turns technology is not. How many times do I honestly need to explain that distinction?

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So cypress wood and wheels no longer exist today? Funny... no one sent me the memo that declared trees and rolling devices extinct.

Right over my head? I don't think so, buddy. You say the technology to build a flying turns doesn't exist today. How can you even claim that with a straight face? While you can't go to your local GCII or Gravity Group store and buy flying turns parts, the materials and know-how needed to build that kind of ride is certainly available to whoever has the blueprints and wants to build. You act as though the flying turns rides used to run on some rare chemical and Knoebels decided to open their own lab and re-invent the stuff.

I guess you have to keep explaining the distinction until you start to make some kind of sense because the dozen or so people that fail to understand what you're talking about can't be wrong. Maybe you should focus less on the words of others and try to work on your words.

This is quite amusing to read, thanks for the laughs! I just can't believe that Knoebels is going all out on this new ride. The technology utilized on this thing will be unbelievable! I'm guessing that NASA will begin eyeing this ride for future ideas in their space program.

Hey! Even better, this ride might catch on and become an olympic sport... oh wait.

~Rob "Shaaaaaduuuup!" Willi

Nate: explain again that flying turns technology doesn't exist today because I still don't see your point. The flying turns technology wasn't wiped off the face of the earth. It still exists. Just because there aren't any currently standing does not mean that the technology isn't there. blueprints, photos, videos, personal memories, etc. preserved the technology.

Besides, people have worked with wood for thousands of years and they are still working with wood today. What else do you need to know? Is forming wood into a barrel-shaped track so special that nobody alive is capable of figuring it out?

Duh.

futhermore, Even if the technology doesn't exist (but it does) what would that prove? How do you think new ride concepts are created? *** Edited 10/13/2005 6:15:42 PM UTC by millrace***

Forming wood into barrels is tough work. We better hope and pray that people don't stop making barrels because if someone needs to make them in the future and there are none left to refer to, they won't have the technology to do it.

Is this the end of barrels as we know it?

(Clap ya hands everybody. Clap ya hands...C'mon)

We could fight like Rob and Nathan.
Or get back like Clint and Tim.
Be silly like Moosh and Jimvy.
Or be serious like Jeff and Rob Jones.

Cause He ain't no different from you and he ain't no different from me Cause we have to live out our dreams like the people on the Buzz.

You betta stay tuned, cause there's more to see...(On Coasterbuzz)

Thru the Technical Difficulties (On Coasterbuzz)

We might have to take a break, but ya'll know we'll be back next week.

This love is on Coasterbuzz....

Forming wood into an actual barrel *is* tough work! I watched a thing on coopering once and it was fascinating. Talk about old technology dying out.

I doubt a Flying Turns barrel is actually built like a barrel. Is it? That would be a lot of complicated work.