Knoebels announces they are working on a classic!
To add to what I said previously, someone pointed out Knoebels' difficulty in securing rolling stock for this ride. With a regular wooden coaster like Twister, it's pretty easy to buy trains from PTC. This is obviously not so with a flying turns, because nobody is using that technology (that is, that style of ride).
Hell, the very first post in this thread says the ride is only in the design stages because "train design and building standards have changed". Sounds like it's not nearly as easy as just copying the blueprints like many have insinuated. Yet you continue to argue that this is no different than building the Twister?
-Nate
*** Edited 10/13/2005 9:05:29 PM UTC by coasterdude318***
coasterdude318 said:
Am I? Why haven't we seen one being worked on until now?
Because no one ordered a flying turns or asked someone to build a flying turns type ride. Why is that so hard of a concept to grasp?
coasterdude318 said:And why is Knoebels "working on it?"
-Nate
Simply because they want to and they think it will do something for their park. It will give them something no one else has right now.
Who knows...but if this is relatively successful you may see a resurgence of the flying turns rides at other amusement parks. *** Edited 10/13/2005 9:04:34 PM UTC by beast7369***
"Eenie, meenie, chilly-beenie, the spirits are about to speak." "Are they friendly spirits?"
Not to mention the time machine.
1909: Manhattan Bridge erected
1931: Empire State building completed in April
1937: Golden Gate bridge opens
2005: Everyone stops and runs from these structures cuz...TECHNOLOGY and stuff has been lost. Apparently nobody knows how to maintain them with little more than lousy, worthless blueprints.
And the world owes a debt of gratutitude to Nate.
"Thank you Fritoman! You've saved us all!"
-CO
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Already answered by Jimvid [I think] but I'll repeat it: Building the structure and track isn't an issue for Knoebels. The hold-up is that they have yet to get any coaster train manufacturers to build trains for them. They may very well have to do that in-house as well as they have blueprints for trains.
If it's really so easy, why haven't we seen one being worked on until now?
Using B&M as an example, I suspect its the same reason we aren't seeing more of their Stand-up Coasters or why it took so long for a third drop coaster: no park has wanted one. The few parks that did went for the Mack or Intamin steel versions.
Thrillerman - PTC might have old rolling stock in storage. I have never been on a tour of their factory...does anyone know?
edited for spelling...d'oh! *** Edited 10/13/2005 10:06:48 PM UTC by Mamoosh***
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it Nate.
Period, It's not like something thats pulled out of thing air. Oh and I bet it operates far more reliably than aome of TODAYS technology such as TTD and KK.
I want to say thanks to all (especially those posting on page 8.. that page had me in stitches, *literally* ROFL! It took me forever to read the page because I'd have to regain composure after every other post). This has been a very amusing thread - so much so it's spilled over into 2 (at least so far) threads. I love it!
On topic: Nate, do you not realize that 'blueprints' are basically just technology recorded in reproducable form? They're not some mysterious cave-documents that we need some magical stone to translate. They're not personal notes of a scientist/developer who you need to interpret them.
And as far as "calling up a company to help" - if they did that, it wouldn't be in-house, now would it? That's what the whole thing about the trains is about - they are either going to get another company to build the trains, or do it "in-house" (pronounced "without help from another company")
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/argentina_turns.jpg
Also rounded up a few more pictures of Flying Turns interest. Maybe Knoebels got their hands on this actual Euclid Beach Flying Turns car.
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/FT_car.jpg
And here is the cover of a magazine advertising the new thrill of the Flying Turns. Pictured here is the Steeplechase Park FT. Someone mentioned that Knoebel's studied this blueprint.
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/flyingturns_mag.jpg
I'm sure most of you have seen the photo of Arrow's attempt at re-creating a Flying Turns.
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/arrow_turns.jpg
So what? That didn't stop the original designers.
Why don't they just buy a Mack if they want a bobsled? 2 reasons:
1. That's not the same ride.
2. Has everyone forgotten that Knoebel's owns a lumber company? Talk about being able to get your materials cheap. Doesn't work? Oh well, get more wood...
Knoebel's can afford to experiment with this a lot more than most other parks and/or designers would, and when they pull it off they might just get themselves some good business as a result. I don't know if they'd be interested in "selling" the ride to other parks, but maybe we could also look at this as field R&D for a future product.
--Greg
"You seem healthy. So much for voodoo."
swampfoxer said:
Lost somewhere in this enormous thread I mentioned that I would scan a photo of what appears to be a mystery Flying Turns in Buenos Aires Argentina. I added a larger inset outlined in red. I've had this postcard for at least 15 years or so and have had several people study it over the years. The general consensus is that this was a Flying Turns. Take a look.
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/argentina_turns.jpg
I'm not sure what this might be, but I've never seen any records of Barlett selling the ride to anyone/where else other than in the US. I know that Miller got around quite a bit, so this could be his work. Someone pointed out in an earlier post that PTC built several, but they actually only built the one in Rhode Island - they took quite a financial hit in the middle of the depression due to the deal they struck with Bartlett.
Also rounded up a few more pictures of Flying Turns interest. Maybe Knoebels got their hands on this actual Euclid Beach Flying Turns car.
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/FT_car.jpg
I am assuming that this is from the ACE musuem collection - I wasn't sure if they had one or not. I'm not sure if they would be willing to hand it over either.
And here is the cover of a magazine advertising the new thrill of the Flying Turns. Pictured here is the Steeplechase Park FT. Someone mentioned that Knoebel's studied this blueprint.
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/flyingturns_mag.jpg
Actually they have the blueprints for the Coney Island/World's Fair model and the Riverview Park model (which were mirror images of each other). I've been told they also have the Euclid blueprints but I don't know that for a fact. The picture you've linked to is the Steeplechase Flying Turns. I don't know if the Steeplechase Flying Turns blueprints exist or not. It had a very short life and was destroyed by a fire (1934-1939). The Steeplechase FT is my favorite design of the 8 made as it feature a real coaster drop before launching into the multiple bowls.
I'm sure most of you have seen the photo of Arrow's attempt at re-creating a Flying Turns.
http://members.aol.com/y2coasters/arrow_turns.jpg
I hadn't seen that before - thanks for sharing!
Jim *** Edited 10/14/2005 12:07:52 AM UTC by jimvid***
Mamoosh said:
Building the structure and track isn't an issue for Knoebels. The hold-up is that they have yet to get any coaster train manufacturers to build trains for them. They may very well have to do that in-house as well as they have blueprints for trains.
And that alone makes this project MORE DIFFICULT than just building a regular wooden coaster. That's all. I didn't say it was impossible (but thanks, everyone, for trying to make it seem like I did) or that Knoebels shouldn't do it. I simply said it would be MORE DIFFICULT. I really don't see how anyone could argue that it won't be.
-Nate
Mister Chef: *stumbles into display of shiny cookware, flings slabs of meat everywhere and falls on the ground* You...want...WHAT!?!?!!?!?
-CO
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I'll have you know that I'm not that obsessed with Janet ;).
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Its what you all get for me putting unplugged on repeat on my desktop.
Well at least you picked something popular that everyone knows! --rolls eyes--
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