Knoebels announces they are working on a classic!

I mentioned the two at Seabreeze and Adventurland Iowa (Cuddle Ups)
:)

Chuck, who misses Strickers Dearly, That ride can be a blast

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I'm not sure of the other cuddle ups you are talking of - where are they? I was under the impression that Knoebels was the only PTC model left and that there were other similar rides by different manufacturers
Jim

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OK, I definately missed something here. When did Knoebel's get a Cuddle Up?

Its been there as long as I've been going to the park. It's a 2-table ride with tea-cup shaped cars. IIRC its near the Tilt-o-Whirl and the Carousel Museum.

I can't tell for sure but I think Gillians might also have the same 2 table ride as well:

http://www.gillians.com/rides_midway.htm (last picture)

Ahhh let's see Nate. Twister was "created from scratch" since they didn't actually rebuild the original ride from Elitch's. They built the ride from the original's drawings. They just modified it some to fit the alloted space and their needs at the park. The Flying Turns is being built the same way...from drawings only with their own materials. Heck..even their dark ride was built in-house from scratch!! You just don't get it do you. Did you ever learn how to listen and comprehend what others say? sheesh If you would talk to Dick (and listen really close), you just might actually learn something. But you have take those blasted horse blinders off first!

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...only one or two of them were created from scratch based on technology that hadn't existed in years (that is, technology that no company is currently producing). I asked specifically for what old, extinct ride concepts Knoebels had revived. I suppose

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And I'm the one who doesn't get it?

-Nate
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Yes...you don't get why Dick Knoebels would build such a ride. That everyone can agree on.

I don't get it either.

But, then, I still don't get why SFI built a 400+ foot Giga, we see how reliable and safe those were in their day...

"based on technology that hasn't existed in years"???...That entire statement is so open to interpretation (especially yours) it's not even funny. Crap there's so many wheels and gears in that park that none of us could ever win that debate with you the way you twist words out of context from the way they were originally intended. how deep do you want to go with that? How far back are going to take this??

I bet if you baked a batch of cookies from scratch that you'd have to hatch your own eggs, mill your own flower and grow your own sugar cane cause heaven forbid you go to the store for all the basic ingredients you would need. They wouldn't be completely from scratch now would they Nate?

Gee...I hope you know how to rub two sticks together for fire because you're not using an oven either bud!!

How is that statement open to interpretation? I've explained what I meant by it several times now.

When Knoebels built the Twister, they essentially built a wooden roller coaster with a layout similar to the original. At that time there were *hundreds* of wooden coasters in existense. Hell, there was in the same park.

That is NOT the case with a flying turns. Okay, they have blueprints. They're still resurrecting a technology that hasn't been around in thirty years. That's something Knoebels has NOT, to the best of my knowledge, done to this date. Knoebels has NOT "resurrected" or "revived" an extinct technology previously. THAT'S what "based on technology that hasn't existed in years" means. There's no interpretation necessary.

-Nate
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swampfoxer said:

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OK, I definately missed something here. When did Knoebel's get a Cuddle Up?

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A year or two after they built the Phoenix! Cuddle Up otherwise known as the Tea Cups.

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^I've only been to Knoebel's 4 times and somehow I missed this. Geez! Oh well, I would've been more upset had it been a 4 wheel Cuddle Up that I missed. The 2 wheel models don't excite me that much.

Jimvid:

Others have mentioned a few other cuddle-ups Is there one at Sylvan Beach as well?. But I don't know if they are all PTC. Maybe you're right. And Strickers had the best one of the bunch. I can tolerate very few spinning rides but that was one of my favorites.

Yeah, Hershey's whip isn't a Mangels but *blasphemy* I found that it ran better than the one at Knoebels. The absolute worst performer was the one at Lesourdsville.

Nate: Do you realize that *nobody* is following your logic? And what does it matter anyway? Are you saying that a flying turns is destined to fail because the technology is so old that nobody understands it anymore? Guess what, it was brand new technology when they first built the things and it worked out then. Should be a lot easier nowadays when you have blueprints, photos,video, and even personal memories of how the thing was put together.

Having been there, I'm pretty sure that Sylvan Beach Amusement Park also has a Crazy Daisy. I'm not sure which size it is.

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coasterdude318 said:That is NOT the case with a flying turns. Okay, they have blueprints. They're still resurrecting a technology that hasn't been around in thirty years. That's something Knoebels has NOT, to the best of my knowledge, done to this date. Knoebels has NOT "resurrected" or "revived" an extinct technology previously. THAT'S what "based on technology that hasn't existed in years" means. There's no interpretation necessary.

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The Mack bobsleds use Barlett's Flying Turns technology and I believe their first model opened in 1985. That would make an 11 year gap in the technology. I am sure that Mack investigated the Bartlett blueprints and patents extensively before launching their model. Like the Flying Turns: Mack uses almost identical articulated 1-2 passenger trains on casters and a very similar braking system. The major difference between the original Flying Turns and the Mack models are the troughs being of steel construction as opposed to wood and the presence of computer technology that allowed for designs that were perhaps not as wild as the original. I've heard that the Blackpool Mack Bobsleds is a the doozy though.

Intamin completely ignored Barlett's rolling stock but did keep the basic premise of the trough.

I think Knoebel's using wood construction as opposed to steel will be cost effective for them being as that's an area they specialize in. I'm sure Knoebels will use computer technology in their design as well.

My understanding is that the biggest road block is the rolling stock as Knoebels cannot find any manufacturer to make it for them nor have they been able to find any original rolling stock to work with.

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Lesourdsville's Whip ran like crap in 2002, I don't know if they got a smaller motor or what but before it closed in 99 it was beaten only by Camden Parks in intensity.

I agree, Hershey's whip is a sorry recreation. I mean, Im glad they have one but somebody did something wrong and it's mainly a concrete floor and not easy to roll and slide on steel plating.

Granted, I haven't been to Disney FL in about 25 years but didn't they have a four table Cuddle Up call the Mad Hatters Tea Party or something?

Chuck, who thought Camdens whip is just plain nuts!

You oughta try the one at Rye Playland! :)

Rye's is easily the best - I always try to get multiple rides on it whenever I'm there - It's run the way it's supposed to.

The Hershey whip would be a good example of Nate's point of resurrecting old technology and screwing it up. I'm sure this would not have been the case if they could've followed the basic Mangels design of steel wheels and floor - BUT...polyurethane wheels on concrete - egads - not only does it give a wretched ride experience, but the noise it make - yikes - I'm pretty sure it's the only ride at Hershey that requires ride ops to wear ear plugs.

jim

Personally, I don't see why Hersheys couldn't be changed, Your right mentioning the polyurethane wheels, I remember that now,

Any other Twister rides out there besides Williams Grove's that they actually know how to run? I know lakemont has one but it ran like crap.

Old octopus's also, I rode Lakemonts in 2001 then again in 2003. In 2001 that thing spun so hard I couldn't breath, Im not talking Monsters or spiders or that Anton modle that SFGAM has.

Calypso's? that run right? SFGAM's was the only one I've ridden that even ran near as intense as Lesourdsvilles used to run.

Bumper cars that are great? The ones I know of are Knoebels, Dutch Wonderland, Camden, Gueaga and IB.

Sorry, I lately am having a ton of fun on flatrides as well as coasters. While always being a flyer nut, The Cuddle up at Strickers was flat out fun sticking four people in it and raising your hands and becoming a human pinball :)

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coasterdude318 said:

When Knoebels built the Twister, they essentially built a wooden roller coaster with a layout similar to the original. At that time there were *hundreds* of wooden coasters in existense. Hell, there was in the same park.

That is NOT the case with a flying turns. Okay, they have blueprints. They're still resurrecting a technology that hasn't been around in thirty years. That's something Knoebels has NOT, to the best of my knowledge, done to this date. Knoebels has NOT "resurrected" or "revived" an extinct technology previously. THAT'S what "based on technology that hasn't existed in years" means. There's no interpretation necessary.

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Knoebels rebuilt the Twister based upon blueprints for the original. Knoebels is rebuilding the flying turns based upon blueprints for the original. It's as simple as that. If you don't get it, you're either selectively dense or an idiot because there is no other way to look at it. Any other spin you put on it just supports the fact that you are great at running off your own mouth while being completely deaf to what everyone else is saying.

I won't even justify the jab about me being hypocritical, although it was a nice try.