KK BIG breakdown?!?!?

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Polish Coaster Rider said:
....And in some Sandusky bar.......Kinzel and Spehn are having a few cold ones.......cheers.

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how true it is they must be sloshed right now and so dam happy

amg they still haev teh biggest rollllller coaster it jus dont work anymorez lololol!!!1

seriously, what's done is done. I doubt they're thinking twice over it considering all the marketing that's already been done on the ride to bring attention to it. Most people just won't know/care about this incident.

Enthusiasts make up such a small percentage of park guests. The amount of people who post on, or even know about, sites like this one are minimal, so most people will just have to plan their trips, get there and be disappointed by it's downtime. People just don't hear about this stuff as much as some of think they do.

They wanted world records and a hydraulically launched coaster, as did CP.

They marketed it as much as could practically be done, considering, as did CP.

They wanted to draw people to their park, as did CP.

They are having problems with the ride, as did CP.

*** Edited 6/11/2005 3:46:05 AM UTC by MForce2k***

Personally, I think its Intamin's own irresponsibility that is at fault for these breakdowns. These rides were obviously rushed into the building phase, and now the parks are paying for it financially and we as the fans are paying for it by being teased by a great looking ride that never runs. I can understand Cedar Point and Six Flags wanting to have the record, and I can understand Intamin wanting to be the builder of the record holder. However, they should have taken their time with this ride, explored all possibilities for a launch system, and then explored every which way in which the system could fail and devise a way to correct it BEFORE they build the ride in a park. Its not the park's faults for this, its Intamin's. If Intamin told the parks the coaster is ready for building, why would the parks question? I think soon we'll be seeing some big lawsuits against Intamin for these ride failures. I wouldnt be surprised if someone gets hurt on one of these monster rocket coasters either. I hope I'm wrong but Intamin doesnt have the best track record as far as safety and reliability goes.

On the Six Flags site it says that Kingda Ka will not be in operation Saturday, June 11th.
Thats a bummer for the private event.

Taking all bets for when it will reopen! :)

1 week...so next Saturday. That's my bet ;)

Actually..I think all wagers should include both when it will reopen, and then for how long ;)

Sunday... dammit! :)

And some of us wonder why B&M doesn't want to take on projects like this?

Not I, Chi. Not I :).

Did anybody at Intamin do the basic calculation of how much force it would require to accelerate the mass of train/riders at 120 plus mph, and what the probability of breakdown would be when this exercise was repeated over 200 times per day?

I visited the park for the first time since 2001 last Saturday (the 4th). I was feeling DAMN lucky to get the one ride. It kept breaking down on and off all day. Still, it was worth it, and I am glad my friend Diana and I got in line when we did.

The one ride is ALL I needed. ;-)

-Tina

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JDB said:
...repeated over 200 times per day?

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I think you may be right. 200 cycles a day was all they figured on.

Actually I sort of mistated the force required. It would be the mass of the train/riders, at an accleration which equals 0 mph to 128 mph in 4 seconds. That seems like alot of wear on the system, even at the conservative estimate of 200 cycles per day

IF that estimated 200 cycles a day is correct (hard for me to believe), they shoulda just upcharged the ride...

Something tells me that if/when B&M gets involved with launching systems, they wouldn't be using hydraulics...;)

I don't see how Intamin can be held 100% accountable for this. Yes they built the ride, I am sure that both parties had a say in the timeline with both wanting an early season '05 completion. SF new the risk in this project and they are getting what they paid for. This is a highly vulnerable system because of the stress that is involved.

Intamin would have ran all the test mods as much as possible and put as much stress as possible on those mods until they found the break points. In real life ,though, things happen that a computer generation can't anticipate otherwise coasters wouldn't have most of the issues they have. Any new technology WILL have problems, this is no different. With only two in existance a third will show other sorts of wear from fatigue and stress that KK and TTD haven't had issues with. Even LIMS had their issues when they went live with alignment, power and other factors. They were easier to fix because of their design.

And to speculate, since this issue is still undefined, this could still turn out to be a contractor issue. Someone hired that used something inferior such as a screw, weld, fuse that couldn't hold up and gave out causing a chain reaction of failures. I said it once and I will say it again, SF is as much responsible as Intamin on this. They new the risk and they took it. At this point I just hope that KK can get fixed and they can make sure that whatever caused this isn't present on TTD as a malfunction such as this with a full load could be fatal.

Knowing the risk is no grounds for lack of liability. Intamin's inability to be able to have a computer generation that can anticipate everything is the crux of the issue. Hate to break it to ya kid (I'm assuming you're a kid cause you'd probably understand the law better if you weren't) but engineering companies are 100% liable if their product doesn't work 100% of the time. Owners assume little to no responsibility. Contractors can be dragged into the mess, but as f-ed up as it souds, if Intamin didn't have a model that anticipated whatever failure occured here, short of someone unscrewing one of the wheels, then it's their ass (or by all rights, should be).

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RatherGoodBear said:
What's that old saying? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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No no no. It's "Fool me once.... shame... shame on me. Fool me twice... uh... you can't fool me again." Don't you ever listen to the President? ;)

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Impulse-ive said:
Knowing the risk is no grounds for lack of liability. Intamin's inability to be able to have a computer generation that can anticipate everything is the crux of the issue. Hate to break it to ya kid (I'm assuming you're a kid cause you'd probably understand the law better if you weren't) but engineering companies are 100% liable if their product doesn't work 100% of the time. Owners assume little to no responsibility.

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Financial or legal responsibility yes. But, SF is not an icon as everyone wants to make them out to be. As far as responsibility to the problem both parties are responsible. SF will drag Intamin through the ringer and if it comes to it run them into financial ruins over this if it is not an easy fix and they (sf) will come out smelling like roses to the normal park patron. As far as the enthusiest community goes we need to hold SF as accountable as Intamin. With the information that has been relayed by word of mouth that is how I see it. Once the facts come out that opinion could change.

So far this thread hasn't come close to addressing "legal" responsibility so that has no bearing on any post. And I am not a "kid" so you might want to stop assuming. You know how far that gets you. *** Edited 6/11/2005 11:35:34 PM UTC by ldiesman***

BIGGEST breakdowns on the PLANET!!!